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 Topic: Correct Color debate for rear rims of C,B, etc...
Posted: 19 Sep 2009 at 10:43am |
Hi all,
On the topic of rear rims for C's, B's, etc...
I know this has been covered in the past, and I DON'T want to start any arguments, because I know some have strong feeligs for both sides of the debate.
I just wanted to revisit the topic on the new forum, and see if there has been any new information (original pics, literature, etc...) that has surfaced since I last researched the topic. (5 years ago for my '48 C, which I painted the rear rims silver to replicate galvinized rims, but have since second guessed myself if this was the correct choice)
Anyway, from what I have read, there are two options for the rear rims. They either came painted orange from the factory, or were galvinized from the factory. They were never painted silver originally, this is only to replicate the original galvinized rim.
I personally think that they came BOTH ways, since so many have voiced strong proof that they seen them both ways.
What I was hoping to find out was if anyone has tied any logic as to what model tractors may have gotten what kind of rims, in what years? Or was it all random based on what AC had avalable at the time, etc...?
PS: For those reading this that may be new to rim colors in the small AC's, the front rims were ALL orange, NOT two toned orange/silver, for the record.
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I read an article a long time ago in one of my car magazines about "whats factory?" The article made the most sense out of anything I've ever heard or read. Basically, this particular article interviewed executives in the late 80's which at the time back in the 60's were on the assembly line in Detroit. They were asked "what was factory" on certain 60's cars when being built. (muscle cars was the topic). The consences from all exec's was "what was what?". The article went on to explain that there was no such thing as "factory" or exactness. All the exec's said the same thing. We had to build "X" amount of cars a day. We went by a build sheet on what the vehicle got, that's it. This is called "mass production". I think this sort of idea applies pretty much to anything that is mass produced. And Tractors are no different. Company's that need parts to mass produce something need multiple vendors to supply parts. I think this is where the wheel delema (if you want to call it that) is listed under. Just like Detroit had to build "X" amount of cars, AC was in the same boat. It makes sense to me anyway. If AC happened to get 4-5 pallets of Galvanized wheels in from one vendor, whatever Tractors in that assembly line where coming on down the line to get built, those Tractor got those wheels installed. It was a matter of having the parts right there to build each unit. If they happen to get painted wheels in from another vendor (and AC from what I've read like other mfr's had mulitple vendors) that batch of Tractors that week got Orange painted wheels. It applied the same to electrical parts. Delco supplied the 3 pos. switch used on the 6V system, but Indak another vender supplied their version of the 3 pos. sw. Ammeters in the same catgory. So ya see where I'm going with this? I think it was "mass production" that gives each Tractor or Automobile its differnt look of parts even though it may be the same model(s). Sooo, if someone has a Model C with painted wheels, that's probably what it got on the assembly line that week. The Model C ten Tractors behind might get Galvanized wheels which is on the next pallet. Sure makes sense to me....
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Posted: 21 Sep 2009 at 8:42pm |
 BobWSoCo wrote:
If no two toned front rims then what would the NOS two toned front rim (with factory shipping tag still on) that I have go on? Did AC put them on implements but not tractors? |
Good question Bob, Again, I could be wrong, but I thought that the front rims of the little AC's (B's, C's, etc...) were always all orange. However, the front rims on the bigger AC's (D series, etc..) may have been two toned, and some I believe for sure are, but to my knowledge, not the smaller AC's. What size rim, and hole spacing is you NOS rim?
I love to learn from cases like this, and if I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it.
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Steve in NJ wrote:
I read an article a long time ago in one of my car magazines about "whats factory?" The article made the most sense out of anything I've ever heard or read. Basically, this particular article interviewed executives in the late 80's which at the time back in the 60's were on the assembly line in Detroit. They were asked "what was factory" on certain 60's cars when being built. (muscle cars was the topic). The consences from all exec's was "what was what?". The article went on to explain that there was no such thing as "factory" or exactness. All the exec's said the same thing. We had to build "X" amount of cars a day. We went by a build sheet on what the vehicle got, that's it. This is called "mass production". I think this sort of idea applies pretty much to anything that is mass produced. And Tractors are no different. Company's that need parts to mass produce something need multiple vendors to supply parts. I think this is where the wheel delema (if you want to call it that) is listed under. Just like Detroit had to build "X" amount of cars, AC was in the same boat. It makes sense to me anyway. If AC happened to get 4-5 pallets of Galvanized wheels in from one vendor, whatever Tractors in that assembly line where coming on down the line to get built, those Tractor got those wheels installed. It was a matter of having the parts right there to build each unit. If they happen to get painted wheels in from another vendor (and AC from what I've read like other mfr's had mulitple vendors) that batch of Tractors that week got Orange painted wheels. It applied the same to electrical parts. Delco supplied the 3 pos. switch used on the 6V system, but Indak another vender supplied their version of the 3 pos. sw. Ammeters in the same catgory. So ya see where I'm going with this? I think it was "mass production" that gives each Tractor or Automobile its differnt look of parts even though it may be the same model(s). Sooo, if someone has a Model C with painted wheels, that's probably what it got on the assembly line that week. The Model C ten Tractors behind might get Galvanized wheels which is on the next pallet. Sure makes sense to me....
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This pretty much wraps up how I see things too, well said.
I put this post out there to see if anyone had made any logic out of the randomness of the "factory theory" though. Like in X year they had mainly part Y's, but then in the beginning of year Z, they switched to mainly W parts. Or that sort of thing. I know this is wishing for something that will probably never happen, but a guy can hope right?
And with the popularity of the internet these days, with so much information being shared with everyone, and with some people specifically collecting original literature and such, I figgure the chance for new knowledge to surface is greater than ever, even as our tractors get older, and the people that originally owned and built them get fewer and fewer. I guess it is one of those "mysteries" that keeps me interested in the hoby.
Some look for that elusive AC model A, some for that holy grail of 5 IB pintle hitches (you know who you are you lucky bugger, LOL!), I on the other hand, look for knowledge and information.
So, what do you all know?.................. :)
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