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DougG 
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 Topic: Whats a good all around Allis crawler / highlift?
Posted: 07 Nov 2020 at 9:23am |
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Gonna be in the market for an Allis highlift machine to do land improvments ; havent been around Allis track machines much , probably looking for something around 16000=20000 lbs , prefer an AC engine as i run a screaming Detroit all week and get very tired of that, no blade but a bucket, also thinking about a Case as parts would probably be easier and quicker to get, thanks in advance
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DMiller
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Posted: 07 Nov 2020 at 9:29am |
Allis Construction parts are thinning all too fast. May if really want Allis look into FA product lines as some of those are still popular overseas and major parts are if expensive to get available. Case around here is a disaster, inability to get late 80s loader parts according to the service shops that sell CNH also sell Case Commercial and are having real issues with repair parts.
I would seriously look into CTLs nowadays as the popularity and the capacities are right up there, also more versatile as to alternate attachments and ability to haul these machines.
Had been looking into Takeuchi machines, the parts availability around here is good and serviceability better than Deere or Kubota. Seem to be a better fit for me IF go back to a Loader machine.
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HD6GTOM
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Posted: 07 Nov 2020 at 9:36am |
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Gonna be in the market for an Allis highlift machine to do land improvments ; havent been around Allis track machines much , probably looking for something around 16000=20000 lbs , prefer an AC engine as i run a screaming Detroit all week and get very tired of that, no blade but a bucket, also thinking about a Case as parts would probably be easier and quicker to get, thanks in advance |
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HD6GTOM
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Posted: 07 Nov 2020 at 9:44am |
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Doug, I ran several HD6 G's for years. Later models are better than earlier units. They had a far heavier bottom end to the motor than early units. Pretty simple to work on. Do your self a huge favor, what ever machine/brand you get. Buy the factory service book. They are far better than after market manuals. My last 6G I put a motor in it that was putting out 100HP. Made a real nice unit out of it. Big trees had to be dug out. Main clutch on the later units ran in oil. If you leave it set over the winter, tie the steering clutch levers back. They have been known to stick.
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NomoreJohnDeere
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Posted: 07 Nov 2020 at 11:59am |
I've heard the 7G is the fat choice
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DMiller
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Posted: 07 Nov 2020 at 1:11pm |
NomoreJohnDeere wrote:
I've heard the 7G is the fat choice
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LOL!!!! Most of the 7G series are becoming history, as they fail and are hauled away. Not but a few left now.
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Ian Beale
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Posted: 07 Nov 2020 at 4:09pm |
" look into FA product lines as some of those are still popular overseas and major parts are if expensive to get available."
That will be the Fiat based lines
This won't help up you're way but (here in Oz) I am assured that parts for our FA 10 are no problem. Seems that, for you people, the parts aren't getting from Italy.
Some things aren't available like hydraulic pipes for the blade cylinders but they are a bend and silver solder fix. We have an assembly jig which makes it easier. As an example the engine cooling pipes to convert to double spin-on oil filters are still available but expensive so I went stainless exhaust fittings and made them. Dozer archaeology in that job - by engine number it should have already had those oil filters and not had the alternator mounted on top of the engine. Good access but the drive belt won't go over the fan so replacing was somewhat involved.
We've just had a final go out in a big way - did the outer sprocket bearing, locked and spun the dead axle, did a number on the bull gear/sprocket hub). Within 2 days we had everything needed so far from 3 sources (some second hand parts like the inner finals case into which the dead axle is pressed, dead axle and bull gear/sprocket hubs. Some of those were still available new). And inexpensive enough to rebuild that and re-bearing the other side. Job is awaiting diesel mechanic son to get here and do the spannering - a 50 ton press is beyond the pay grade of my tool kit.
It also negates my previous enquiry about sprocket hub protrusion!
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Coke-in-MN
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Posted: 07 Nov 2020 at 7:37pm |
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Would say for the money anything in the FA book would be good , FL7, FL10
I have a FD5 and is a great small machine at 70 HP
if your spending $$$ buy something you can find parts for as AC machines are limited in the track under carriage now in finding replacement
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Posted: 07 Nov 2020 at 9:34pm |
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I had an FL 9 at one time, it was a low hour machine. I had a hard time finding hydraulic fittings for hose replacements, so a quick fix was not the order of the day. The guy that owned it before me and the one after me had more serious repairs to deal with. It was a nice tight machine to run, poor visibility of the work the bucket was doing, all said and done I would not buy Fiat Allis again, just my opinion. I know we celebrate A-C on this site but my best recommendation to you, in the size range you mentioned, for an older machine would be a CAT 941, great performance, good visibility from the operator station, a pleasure to run. I have owned four of them over the years, they all did very well for me. The best for parts and service.
Edited by Eric B - 07 Nov 2020 at 9:44pm
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Ian Beale
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Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 12:48am |
Eric
It came as some suprise on a basically metric dozer (except track bolts are 5/8") that the original hydraulic fittings seem to have been BSP Weren't many left when we got it and we have "re-farmerised" to JIC as we go. Apart from the hoses in the power shift area where we re-used the originals.
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Coke-in-MN
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Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 10:19am |
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On my FD5 I have replaced most of the hoses a couple times now and no problems finding after market suppliers . A couple of long hosed I had remade with a coupling in hose so I can easily replace a short section rather than a 10' long hose .
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DougG
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Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 3:55pm |
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Thanks for all responses,, dont exicute me here - but how about a John Deere 555, ? seems theres a few of them around running good
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DMiller
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Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 6:51pm |
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Ran a 555G and it did well, it also however is a 20-35 year old machine and Deere is not all that supportive of the repair parts currently. Are tons of them around with spares used parts are quite available.
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