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GM- Ford going all electric ??????
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No, truth is YOU don't get it, re-read these posts, you are clueless.
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Would say Good Luck to them, but hey, it IS Kalifornication, they can go play scramble awhile.  AZ, NV and UT have all announced they will be selling LESS to KALI as they need that power in the home states.  Fossil retirements are hitting ALL states pretty hard right now.



Figuring that Coal will be gone by 2050 is a stretch, is reported that most utilities are set to close solid fuel Fossil by 2030, leaving Gas Turbines or Renewable(LOL) as sole energy providers.  CNG will hit new strides in ramped up costs as import more now where cannot frack for existing US Supplies.
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Yep Diablo is in my back yard the taxes from that plant has kept this county in good shape. So they wined to the state and are getting 20 or 30 million to help easy the lose of taxes from power plant.

But word is out the state is buying 3 natural gas power plants to be ready for the days the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow. But with the state running them you know the price goes up.
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Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

Originally posted by Mikez Mikez wrote:

also I wonder how it will work. Isn’t there still petroleum products in these cars and stuff. So when they put all the refineries out of business. How does that work
You are missing the point ENTIRELY CryCry !! It's a PROPULSION /TAILPIPE EMITTING/ POLLUTION issue !!! NONE of you "get-it" CryCry
The "logic" of the former  is beyond my comprehension Confused 

Since you get it why are driving a pickup, you need to ride a bicycle.  There have been several big mouths politicians local that put their mouth on a bicycle to show us peed upon ones how. But somehow they faded away, back to just mouthy ones telling us rather than show us.
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Green Energy is a pipedream of the scientifically ignorant and the mathematically inept.
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Originally posted by Les Kerf Les Kerf wrote:

Green Energy is a pipedream of the scientifically ignorant and the mathematically inept.

  And the intoxicated.
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Buttgig did get on a bicycle a few times, as a staged event, had it unloaded from the SUV so could be seen 'Riding to Work' only to ride out and reload it some few blocks away and GOT CAUGHT.  

When the ELITE Politicians are in All Electric Vehicles, Selling off their HUGE, MULTIPLE Estates with houses large enough to accommodate four to five FAMILIES each then I would almost trust them, otherwise is all a Ruse upon the poor working slobs we are trying to squeeze another loose dime or two out of our pockets.  Just remember Ms Pissy bragging about ALL Her Lovely Craft Made Ice Cream any time and flavor she wanted in her MULTIPLE Freezers in the Winery property in CA.
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Why do politicians pushing this pay the big ,big dollars for ocean front properties? If they will be underwater in 10 years. And about a million more questions about why they don't cut down their electric, and petroleum use.
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If it was anything but BS they would be installing perpetual motion engines in cars instead of electric motors.
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Just this evening I had a a LONG Q@ A session with a recent Tesla owner, you NAY SAYERS are full of as far as "voltage" needed to charge them back up ClapClap !!
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In his Opinion, he wished he bought one years ago regardless of the (at the time) limitations of the battery Clap !! The technology is at the cusp of elongating battery life , unlike fossil fuels Unhappy

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well tell us WISE ONE... what is the "voltage" ?....   your $49. 12v charger work ?  Wink
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How many tool boxes and 12 ft 2 x 4 does he get in the BED ?  LOL
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Can you plug a Tesla into a regular outlet?

Technically you can connect your Tesla to a standard 110v plug receptacle with the free adapter that comes with the car. But you can only charge slowly–at about 3 miles of range per hour parked. ... It will take up to 4 full days to fully recharge an empty Tesla car battery using a regular wall outlet.

240 volt
The recommended home charging installation option for Tesla vehicles is a 240 volt NEMA 14-50 outlet. This outlet is commonly used for electric stoves and recreational vehicles. Installed with a 50 amp circuit breaker, this outlet enables a recharge rate of about 37 kilometers per hour.


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off topic but electric. So the rehab hospital that iv gone to sense I was injured. Lots of times when they have things to demo they ask me. Was asked to go in to do something with the robot legs for advertisement pictures. About 30min worth of set up to have the batteries dead. No go lol
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240 V x 50A = 12,000 watts or 12KW, that'd cost me about $3 per hour to recharge.
oh yeah, that 3 bux would be after taxes dollars too.....
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

well tell us WISE ONE... what is the "voltage" ?....   your $49. 12v charger work ?  Wink
 
YES !!!!  
They can be charged on 120 volts, 220 volts, AND a super charged 220 volt charger ClapClapClap, the owner pulled up the "app" on his phone that showed it was "CHARGING" on his 120 volt outdoor home recept LOLLOL !! 
GOOGLE it Stevo !!!
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

Can you plug a Tesla into a regular outlet?

Technically you can connect your Tesla to a standard 110v plug receptacle with the free adapter that comes with the car. But you can only charge slowly–at about 3 miles of range per hour parked. ... It will take up to 4 full days to fully recharge an empty Tesla car battery using a regular wall outlet.

240 volt
The recommended home charging installation option for Tesla vehicles is a 240 volt NEMA 14-50 outlet. This outlet is commonly used for electric stoves and recreational vehicles. Installed with a 50 amp circuit breaker, this outlet enables a recharge rate of about 37 kilometers per hour.
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YEP... you can charge it all week on 120v so you can go to McDonalds on saturday !!  LOL


. It will take up to 4 full days to fully recharge an empty Tesla on 120v
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well tell us WISE ONE... what is the "voltage" ?....   your $49. 12v charger work ?  Wink
 
FreeGas = YES !!!!  

NO... YOUR CHARGER WILL NOT WORK ... NOT 12V... You have to use the HIGH VOLTAGE OUTPUT TESLA charger that has an INPUT of 120v or 240v..... If you could only READ !    Clap   Clap

the "charger" has an INPUT of 120v or 240v.... and the OUTPUT is 450v into the TESLA BATTERY...... Look it up on YOU TUBE !!  LOL   Wink


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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

Can you plug a Tesla into a regular outlet?

Technically you can connect your Tesla to a standard 110v plug receptacle with the free adapter that comes with the car. But you can only charge slowly–at about 3 miles of range per hour parked. ... It will take up to 4 full days to fully recharge an empty Tesla car battery using a regular wall outlet.

240 volt
The recommended home charging installation option for Tesla vehicles is a 240 volt NEMA 14-50 outlet. This outlet is commonly used for electric stoves and recreational vehicles. Installed with a 50 amp circuit breaker, this outlet enables a recharge rate of about 37 kilometers per hour.
Yes, the 120 volt IS slower (he never mentioned 4 days though, your info might be from YOU TUBE ??) . Yes, he does charge at "stations" that are 220 volts and hasn't opted for the "super " charger yet Big smile !!
YOU tell us next year when FORD goes all electric how their charging system works ClapClapClap
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I know how they work... The  VEHICLE has an ONBOARD CHARGER with 450V , 600V or 800V output depending on what VEHICLE you have... You supply the INPUT from your house at 120v or 240v.................... NO 12 V CHARGERS !!!
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so..... it's OK for CA to import NONgreen energy ??
seems a tad hypocritical to me.....
maybe the energy exporters to CA  should NOT sell their NONgreen energy  !!!!
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How many hamster wheels will be needed to run a 40 KW generator?  
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This is a Thermodynamic Fuel Consumption table for a CTG Combustion Turbine Generator

Ambient Temperature ˚C (T1)

Actual SFC 

Actual SFC × 100 Design Data %

24

0.326

115.19

25

0.326

115.19

26

0.336

118.73

27

0.337

119.08

28

0.337

119.08

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0.343

121.20

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0.348

122.97

31

0.357

126.15

32

0.358

126.50

33

0.372

131.45

34

0.384

135.69




The first line is Temp C, second is kg/kw-hr


Last is actual kg/kw hr  Which one cubic meter of NG is 128.2 kg per cu meter

Have to multiply by 1000 for a single mW hr, then multiply that by mW generated.


Will take at 32C close to 65000 Cu Meters of gas per hour for a 65mW CTG to run.

A NG supplied home uses less than 70000 cu FEET of gas per Year. or divide by 35 cu ft to get Cu Meters or 2000 Cu Meters




 







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