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PA185 
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 Topic: 301 Diesel Cubic inch increase???
Posted: 09 Jul 2019 at 10:06am |
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Ok fellas, roughly halfway thru the pulling season here in southern PA. I've had some good runs with my 185, moving to 18.4 38's on pressed steel very soon plus having pump and injector work done in anticipation for next year. Still raking the coals trying to figure something out for a good cubic inch game, I've searched and talked to a lot of people over the past few months. Very little is known. Looking to get around 400ci or as close to it as I can. I have heard of 1 405ci non turbo diesel 301 build, I'd love to find details on that. Also I have to stay non turbo per class rules.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 09 Jul 2019 at 10:49am |
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Yes. 405 NA or 405 with 3 inch inlet turbo/intercooler has been done before.
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PA185
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Posted: 09 Jul 2019 at 11:04am |
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DrAllis, are any details on the 405 NA available? That's really the build I am trying to accomplish
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Posted: 09 Jul 2019 at 11:13am |
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Custom built pistons and sleeves and the block is bored. Gets expensive.
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PA185
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Posted: 09 Jul 2019 at 12:29pm |
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So pretty much all bore/sleeve work? No stroke?
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Posted: 09 Jul 2019 at 1:55pm |
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Are you able to get to our pull at Crownsville Md on Friday September 13th. We always need more ORANGE and our rules are very permissive for Open classes. We have a 3500,4500,5500,6500 & 7500 you should fit into.
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY
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PA185
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Posted: 09 Jul 2019 at 8:30pm |
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I can probably make it. I have a D17 I pull in 4500-6500
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bsallis180
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Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 8:59am |
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4.5 bore 405ci, 4.375 bore 383ci both have been done and or in the process. Neither have stroked
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Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 4:37pm |
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Supposedly a JD 404 sleeve and piston will fit a 301 block with a little help,, makes 360 I think
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bsallis180
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Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 7:55pm |
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Just the pistons it will make 362 also can make 341 is the cheapest way it requires no boring of block
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bsallis180
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Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 8:15am |
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Déjà vu ?
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DrAllis
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Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 11:45am |
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There seem to be a lot of rookie pullers that want to do a whole bunch of things to improve/gain HP, gearing, tires, wheels etc and then they find out what it will COST and all of a sudden you never hear from them again. $500 pretty much buys nothing when it comes to "go-faster" parts. $5000 will get you somewhere.
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Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 1:21pm |
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Was deffintly cheaper 20 years ago!I like to do what I can myself, can never know too much!
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Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 4:00am |
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I'm prepared to spend the $, I just need to know what route to take. I know it's been done but up to this point details are few and far between.
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Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 6:55am |
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Some one much smarter then me might answer that better but I don’t see Spend 8k for 100hp gain on a N/A motor. Think going as much as you can with out getting into the block would be most gains for dollar and be more off concentrating on flow then CI
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