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   I am looking for advice on what small dozer should I be looking for to work my 40 acre Michigan property.  Mostly going to push a two track road in and remove soft smaller (3 to 10 inch) trees and stumps from sandy level soil and shape up a building site.   My hard working D-14 has been great for the foodplots, mowing and small bucket chores but I need a handy small dozer for the building up phase.     The  mostly sandy soil ground is easy to work and I do not have any big hills but there are a lot of soft trees as it is a popple cutover about 10-20 years old.    What would be a good size machine for a dozer novice and what should I be looking for in buying an old one in working condition?  Thanks       Ralph

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rasman57 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Illinois Points: 404	Post Options Post Reply Quote rasman57 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Looking for your advice on a handy dozer.... Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 11:53am
	I am looking for advice on what small dozer should I be looking for to work my 40 acre Michigan property. Mostly going to push a two track road in and remove soft smaller (3 to 10 inch) trees and stumps from sandy level soil and shape up a building site. My hard working D-14 has been great for the foodplots, mowing and small bucket chores but I need a handy small dozer for the building up phase. The mostly sandy soil ground is easy to work and I do not have any big hills but there are a lot of soft trees as it is a popple cutover about 10-20 years old. What would be a good size machine for a dozer novice and what should I be looking for in buying an old one in working condition? Thanks Ralph

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Gary in da UP Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EUP of Mi. Points: 1885	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gary in da UP Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 1:19pm
	My advice; rent a dozer first, something in the 75 to 85 HP range .See what that will do for you. A dozer is the last peice of equipment a contractor wants to buy and maintain, but the are a necessary peice for some tasks. An 85 HP dozer will do 5X the work of a 35 HP dozer in the same time. When the heavy work is done check into a tracked skid steer , they are a pretty handy rig to have around. My .02
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Ages Cat Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hutchinson, MN Points: 688	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ages Cat Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 5:56pm
	A small dozer under 10,000# will not do what you might expect. The gentleman is correct in the previous post. 15-20,000# and 75+ horsepower minimum, and It has limited use as well. The skid loader with tracks is faster, more maneuverable and can do many other tasks.

TomSEOH Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: SE Ohio Points: 170	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomSEOH Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 7:24pm
	I totaly agree with Gary about the skidsteer. I prefer good quality steel tracks over tires to rubber tracks, much more versatile . Not to mention all the attachments a skidsteer will accept make them a very valuable machine to own or rent. Tom

Rick of HopeIN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Hope, Indiana Points: 1324	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rick of HopeIN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 7:59pm
	I don't rent a skidsteer very often but when I was building my garage the rental yard had just bought a new Bobcat on tracks and was renting it for same rate as the old wheel machine. I was impressed, seemed like a lot more capable machine for dirt work and I think it was easier on the yard when I was in straight line , load and carry mode.

Matt (Jordan,MN) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jordan, MN Points: 3790	Post Options Post Reply Quote Matt (Jordan,MN) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 12:05am
	I have a few hd5 dozers and they are very handy. The one i use the most is a one with a loader on it. It is a bit on the heavy side if you don't have a big turck to haul it. IT weights about 17,000 lbs. If this is the only job you have for a dozer i would rent one instead of buying one. A skid loader would work great for the smaller jobs too. I belive that Bobcat builds the niceist machine. I prefer the tire models over the track machines. I worked at a Bobcat dealer and the track machines can get very expensive to fix. The drive motors like to shell out and contaminate the Hyd. system. This can cost you around $ 10,000 to fix if it isn't under warrenty.

Coke-in-MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41572	Post Options Post Reply Quote Coke-in-MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 8:00am
	If your doing tree removal and grading , then a dozer is what you want, but look into a newer machine with power shift or torque converter . The old machines may be cheap but they are also slow. I have had several HD5 , both B and G models. Now have a Fiat/Allis FD5. 70 HP machine , will do 10 times the work of HD5B . Straight blade machines had their place but new 6 way blades just make the job easy. Stay away from the older JD machines as they have a short life and the clank bang transmission are problems. Undercarrage is the big item in any track machine, speed kills them and fast reverse is 5 times as bad on track as forward. Skid steer machines are great but they are not made for all jobs, tree removal and road building are best left to tracks, as is digging holes for foundations.
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ac45 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Points: 395	Post Options Post Reply Quote ac45 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Sep 2009 at 10:19am
	The big question is what is your budget?? To get a good useable machine you are probably looking in the 10K range and up. Then you need to be sure to look it over close, undercarriage etc. It is hard to go wrong with the smaller Case dozers 450, 550 850 etc, as there are tons of aftermarket parts out there and they have a good reputation. For what you are wanting to do though I don't think I'd want anything smaller than an 850, as 450 and 550's are mainly grade finishing and backfilling machines not really to good for clearing anything bigger than 6inches or so in diameter. As others have said you may be ahead to just rent a machine, usually in winter the rental rates drop off around here for the more extended time periods for such as a week or month.