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Lars(wi)
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Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 10:39am |
134,000 miles with C6 auto. Good, Bad, and Ugly?
In a F250. What is a ‘VRV’? It’s supposedly been ‘rebuilt and adjusted’. TIA. |
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 22458 |
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maybe ....
Vacuum regulator valve (VRV) = rough shifting .
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thendrix
Orange Level Joined: 04 Feb 2013 Location: Fairmount GA Points: 4881 |
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The VRV for the 6.9 and C6 is no longer made and when it goes, the truck don't shift. I had a 1986 with a 6.9 and it wasn't terrible but it certainly wasn't a beast either. Mine had return line leaking problems that I never got sorted. The 6.9 with anything that doesn't require the VRV, might be fair. It's a shame to. The bullnose Fords are some of my favorite
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thendrix
Orange Level Joined: 04 Feb 2013 Location: Fairmount GA Points: 4881 |
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And, yes, the VRV is a vacuum regulator valve. And as of 2018 it's NLA
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 81123 |
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here is a mechanical upgrade.... ??
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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steve(ill)
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this guy started making parts on a 3D printer in the last few years... Looks like he is selling UNITS now .. ?
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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thendrix
Orange Level Joined: 04 Feb 2013 Location: Fairmount GA Points: 4881 |
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Hmmm. It's a good market to be in. When I sold mine the VRV was cracked and barely glued together. If you could find one in a junk yard they were pretty costly. And you paid for it before you took it off. They were fairly fragile. I'd love to have another 86 F250 but with a manual trans
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"Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 81123 |
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I had a 1989 F250 with the 5.8 V8 ( fuel injected) and ZF wide ratio manual trans... THAT was a truck. Drove it 250K miles and did very little except maint.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4664 |
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Of course you know that the 6.9 was the naturally aspirated International engine. They didn't have much power. I believe "Power Stroke" started around 1994, when they put a turbo on the 7.3.
We had some of the International Medium duty 6.9 (i believe starting in 1984). They ran well but were very underpowered, even for 1984.
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Lars(wi)
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Yep, it’s non turbo diesel. Wanting something to possibly replace the ‘95 Suburban, now that’s a dog. Don’t need the seating of the Suburban any more, just the wife and I. |
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Lars(wi)
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Did a bit more research on the engine. The current owner claims he just changed oil & filter, although any used vehicle I purchase, I go straight home with and do complete lube, oil, and filter, irregardless of what a dealership or private seller claims. The maintenance schedule calls for 15w-40 if temps below 0*F., temps above 0*F., calls for straight 30 weight. Which makes sense as it is a mid 1980’s IHC engine.
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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200Tom1
Orange Level Joined: 03 Jun 2019 Location: Iowa Points: 1220 |
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I had one. Run as fast and as hard as you can away from that unit. Motor and tranny was replaced, tranny twice in the year and one half that I had it.
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4664 |
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Like every vehicle ever built, some people love them and some have nothing but problems.
One of the mechanics that I used to work with had an F-250 (I thought it was a 1984, but I could be wrong) 6.9. The last I knew, he was in the neighborhood of 500,000 miles. He took very good care of it and did a lot of towing with it. I think his was standard transmission, but the C6 was around for many years and had a pretty good reputation. As I said before, not a lot of power, but for the time they were built, they were a pretty good rig. Practically all the trucks that age, in our area, are completely rusted out and long gone.
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 31067 |
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You all have watched as I rehabbed my old 7.3 Super Duty. Truck dragged my 180 to the BILs place twoce a month for a number of years for mows and other work there. Did fine early on, 12-14mpg towing at highway speeds, with 16-18mpg as a commuter. Sadly Lo Sulphur Diesel destroyed that USLD made it worse until added a Programmer pkg. Got it back to 14-15 yet is still not great, is paid for so not a concern as to keeping the 25 year old. A 85 model is coming onto Forty years in service, parts are thinning that herd, electronic components will kill mine I am Most assured. The Pumps and support equipment for the older trucks as the Hydroboost on mine also become a concern. Is why mine became a Farm Relegated truck.
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Lars(wi)
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As this most definitely will not be a commute vehicle of any kind, I am inclined to pursue the idea, as I am getting really, really tired of lugging the removable back bench seat out of the Suburban anytime I have a substantial load to haul.
Supposedly the current owner has done a boatload of work on the truck, and for what his asking price is, it may be worth a shot. |
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Clay
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We have a 1983 F-250 4x4 with a Borg-Warner T-19 four speed transmission and noromally aspirated 6.9 engine .
Good low end power but a little doggy. Pulled 5 loads of rould bales yesteday. Handled the job well. I did away with the glow plug controller curcuit over twenty years ago. To energize the glow plugs, I use a deadman push button. |
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Lars(wi)
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Not sure how much I would need glow plugs here in central Texas, probably will put an engine ‘tank heater’ on it. People have said the take the power cord off the block heater and throw it away, don’t ever use the frost plug heater.
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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ac fleet
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any diesel in ford trucks was JUNK from the factory! 7.3 blew up at 60,000 miles second motor is at 62,000 and dead again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 60,000 mile throw away motor and we wont get into the stupid automatics they put in them!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DMiller
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All I have done to my 7.3 is a Programmer, Glow Plugs, the under cover harnesses three times now and the Turbo that had 340000 Miles on it. Most dependable, worst abused truck I have ever owned and owned since new.
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ekjdm14
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This one is an '86 so should be mechanical injection, no electronics?
I suppose everyone's experiences are different, but having seen the treatment Peg, Sawedoff & the like give the old IDI's on youtube I know exactly what truck I'd be buying if I ever landed up that side of the pond. Peg @ Zip ties 'n' bias plies has just recently done something like 3000miles cross country in a 6.9 with questionable head gaskets, just kept adding eggs & hammering down some more, it survived OK. And if you've ever seen his old 7.3 (nicknamed "slave lake" after the fire there, because of the smoke) you'll know it's been run hard on the ether and cold redlines for many years now, even ran it without coolant for a good while. Only the last year or so has he put working GP's in it... Plus being IDI it'll run on anything vaguely flammable. (Plus if it ever failed, I'd just offload it to one of those minty fellas)
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Lars(wi)
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Going tomorrow morning to check out a 1991 F-350 w/7.3L. Dually, 160,000 miles. Extended cab, Running boards, long bed w/topper. Automatic transmission.
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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DMiller
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Lars, block heater on my 340,000 mile 7.3 has functioned fine for 25 years, likely just cursed it but has been dependable, I would plug in night before knew would be below 15 degrees, generally after been driven as already warm coolant. Would start as if a summer day after two days as that. No need of tank heater and Glow Plugs lasted first round 12 years, 3 failed at last replacement some 12+ years later from then. New ones installed back this spring during reman.
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WF owner
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One of the secrets to longevity of the glow plugs on the 7.3 was to let them finish cycling before starting the engine.
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NEVER green
Orange Level Access Joined: 28 Feb 2013 Location: MN. Points: 7490 |
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Actually the 7.3 has an excellent reputation right behind the Cummins.
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Acguywill
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We had a 93 f350 with the 7.3l. Bought it new and in 160k km it needed the fuel pump done twice. Traded it off with the rad cap loose so it wouldn't push all the antifreeze out. It was absolutely the most gutless truck we have ever owned. My old 6.2 Detroit in a half ton with an automatic would easily out pull the Ford with a 5spd and do it on about half the fuel. Sad to say but as bad as the engine was it was much much better than the rest of the truck. Got rid of it 25 years ago and thinking about it still makes me angry.
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ihc pickups
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I have a 1983 F-250 that I bought brand new. 320,000 miles on the chassis.
6 years back i found a 1984 F-350 with no title bought it cheap put the straight front axle under my 83. Never did like the twin I-beam suspension under them. The 350 i bought had low gears in it but I only haul firewood and can drive to work on gravel roads, and I am older than dirt, so I get in no hurry. 3 years back we did a complete off frame restoration on it. I will be buried in this truck....LOL. has had a flatbed on it for years much better for what i do.
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Lars(wi)
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We got the ‘91. Drives good, a/c is good, heat good, nice wide mirrors. Seats are well above average for its age. Tow package, spare tire w/rim& another spare tire. Bug deflector on hood. All lights work. All gauges work, both fuel gauges and ‘switch over valve’(solenoid) works.
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Ed (Ont)
Orange Level Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Location: New Lowell, Ont Points: 1290 |
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7.3 was a great motor. Then when we went to 6.0 and 6.5 they were junk. Constant headaches and customer complaints and rightfully so. Head gaskets, turbos and a multitude of problems!!! AC fleet you are the first guy I ever heard to complain about the 7.3 or 444 engine. And they made great power. We raced to the racetrack of course in those days!!! I drove a dodge 3500 - new every season as we had a dealer to sponsor us. Ford guys always blew the doors off us. Good new was we beat them on the track. Lol.
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DMiller
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Have to laugh, Yesterday was a BAD Day! Had the severe rains, shut off materials hauls, so sent home early Tuesday and Off Today and Yesterday, decided to get my two trucks inspected for the relicense at year end, got in the Super Duty went to start, cranks just a few rounds then NADA, just Clicks.
Seems the 25 year old Starter had had ENOUGH! Burned the crossover cable Solenoid to Starter Motor OFF, so off to Town and gather up a NEW replacement, $250 and change. Cranks better than has in years now!!
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I purchased a very clean 1984 F-250 w/6.9ltr diesel engine when I was right out of the Navy for the economy of operation. Good looking truck, but really lacking power as it was geared with a 3.08 ratio rear axle. Driving home and without warning, the engine started "knocking" in the lower end hard enough it could be felt through the accelerator pedal. Coasting to a stop into a parking spot, it sure was knocking. I'd had the truck three weeks to the day at this time. Oil was full but a lot of bearing material in the film. After towing it home and pulling the engine, long story short is both heads were busted, one head gasket blown, crankshaft and two rods destroyed. This was all replaced and engine rebuilt lasting another 13K miles before oil pressure once again dropped to zero, (indicated) to where I shut the engine down immediately as I was rolling to a stop. After towing home and lifting the engine from the chassis, once again the bearings were found destroyed. Both of the failures were from the engine oil cooler which had a bypass valve built into the end of it. Both times, this valve was partially stuck open bleeding lube oil pressure from the oil pump and instead of pushing it through the cooler, was dumping right back into the sump starving the engine internally. This valve was replaced with the first rebuild and all oil passages cleaned with both hot tank, and physical brushes. I rolled new bearing shells, and cam bearings into the engine as the babbit was worn from the cam bearings, measured everything up, and once again replaced that relief valve in the cooler. I only kept that truck another 500 miles and then sold it to a guy that just "had" to have it. I gave full disclosure of what I'd been through with it and was very transparent. Though running very well while he owned it, the engine did not last a year before it let go on him hauling square bales. He had changed the rear axle as it had no power to pull with shortly after I sold it. I seen him in a cafe' about a year later getting filled in on what he'd been through with that truck and it really wasn't pretty. It was parted out as he had other Ford trucks in the family and the frame being made into a sprayer trailer. He was then driving a then new GMC truck. Myself, I think once the head gaskets and bolts were replaced with the then new graphite gaskets, the repetitive blowing of them seemed to cease. I believe the 7.3ltr engines that replaced the 6.9ltr in 1987 had the graphite gaskets originally, but still had the weaker head fasteners and once addressed, were a pretty sound engine. Those are quite highly desired these days being all mechanical and if either a Banks, or ATS turbocharger system is incorporated, a lot of power can be had from them. Timing relays/contactors for the glow plugs on the IDI engines were not very long lasting. Usually bypassed them with a firewall mounted 100A Cole-Hersee continuous duty solenoid switch and push button operator.
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