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Are NAPA 7011 oil filters really that bad? |
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CAL(KS)
Orange Level Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3786 |
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Yes bypass system
Edited by CAL(KS) - 19 Mar 2024 at 7:26am |
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Codger
Orange Level Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Illinois Points: 2053 |
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Thanks Cal. Makes sense now. I have several antique Mack engines utilizing bypass filtration only and they work well.
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A career built on repairing and improving engineering design deficiencies, shortcomings, and failures over 50 years now.
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Tbone95
Orange Level Access Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11600 |
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All I can think of when the oil filter subject comes up, I worked in a factory that made filters one summer. S U C K E D!!!!! Boring, miserable, itchy….$5 per hour. The wife wears that summer’s earnings on her finger.
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 81108 |
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All of the WC-WD-WD45 - B -C-CA and SOME of the early D series all used the SAME BYPASS filter.. Sometime after 1960 this was changed to the standard PH8 auto type filter.
The BYPASS runs about 15% of the oil thru a 1/4 inch tube with an 1/8 inch hole in the end as an ORIFICE to restrict the flow.. That 15% then goes thru the TIGHT WRAPPED COTTON filter which further restricts the flow.. and then dumps to the crankcase.. About 85% of the oil goes to LUBE the motor.. If you take out the 1/4 inch tube, you will run about 100% of the oil back to sump.. NO LUBE.. If you use the PAPER filter instead of the COTTON, you loose a good portion of the oil back to sump.. I dont know the %, but you probably had ZERO LUBE OIL at low or half throttle.. and MINIMAL lube at HIGH.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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ACinSC
Orange Level Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2762 |
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Thanks for explanation Steve. I use a Napa oil filter on my D 15.
Edited by ACinSC - 19 Mar 2024 at 9:52am |
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Les Kerf
Orange Level Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 777 |
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The first time I pulled an oil pump out of a Model C engine I literally laughed in disbelief, that's how puny it looks. A dinky little vane pump driven off the end of the camshaft. So yes, if you poke a hole in the system ANYWHERE it is not going to maintain pressure. "Modern" engine design uses a big, robust oil pump that can deliver excess volume. The older AC systems are adequate. Just. Barely. Adequate.
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JimD
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 81108 |
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Les... it works because your getting a WHOPPING 20 HP out of a 125 CID engine running at 1650 RPM !!!
in comparison, my F150 has a duel turbo 213 CID engine that is close to 400 HP !
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 22454 |
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...and I'm betting your 400HP F150 can't pull a one bottom plow
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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 81108 |
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never tried a plow... but it will pull a 12 K trailer down the highway at 80 MPH..
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4664 |
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Way off topic, but I am betting the naysayers about turbos on pickups are very similar to the guys that were naysayers of turbos on tractors 60 years ago.
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resurrection20
Bronze Level Joined: 14 Nov 2023 Location: Oregon Points: 78 |
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I have a turbodiesel car and as a result am 100 percent onboard with turbos on anything. Put them on a Radio Flyer, more power to you. |
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Codger
Orange Level Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Illinois Points: 2053 |
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I've long envisioned turbocharging my old wind up West Bend bedside alarm clock but I'm afraid that one hasn't quite gotten off the drawing board as of yet. Can't seem to find proper packaging to allow a workable fitment with thermodynamics considered. This on top of of space constraints, cannot for the life of me figure how to fit charge air cooling to the unit as I've had the thing so long as a passdown from my grandparents, I'd sure hate to melt it down, yet I'd still like a bit more performance. Any engine takes to turbocharging like a duck to water if it is set up correctly. Got to control the heat, contain the pressure, absorb the inherent torsional stresses induced, and direct the power to a usable output to make it work. Easier said than done with engineering, manufacturing, marketing, and management involved in the mix. I had a 1989 Dodge Spirit car purchased as a bank repo to use as a loaner in the shop. Very clean little car with a blown head gasket but ran well. It was turbocharged but not intercooled. I pulled the head finding it cracked and ordered a new one from an aftermarket supplier along with an updated "graphite" head gasket. Installed new timing belt and water pump at the same time along with new hoses and drove that car to just shy of 400K on the clock with no trouble other than an air conditioning compressor going bad from age. It never did get used as a loaner my wife liked it so much. It really "woke up" after installing a "Mopar Performance" ecm, and Borla exhaust too without being very loud. Had a great tone, but not annoying. Never did use oil between 5K oil changes but rust put it down as wasn't safe to drive any longer.
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A career built on repairing and improving engineering design deficiencies, shortcomings, and failures over 50 years now.
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resurrection20
Bronze Level Joined: 14 Nov 2023 Location: Oregon Points: 78 |
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Frame rust?
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AC720Man
Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4910 |
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We only use AGCO filters on all of our AC tractors, AC filters when they were in business. Not sure who makes them for them but always have had good results and good oil pressure even in a few that have a lot of hours on them.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8239 |
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Wix unless they changed...
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Allis-Chalmers Damon
Bronze Level Joined: 13 Apr 2015 Location: Deer Park, WA Points: 103 |
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Just changed the oil in my D14 with a Wix filter (NAPA 7011 cross reference). Oil pressure is usually on the lower side as the tractor is now 65 years old, but there is decent pressure. Filter seems to be good quality.
I did try something for the heck of it. I decided to add a little zinc additive to the oil, and I also threw a little Marvel's in the gas tank and crankcase. It literally cured my blue smoke issue on high throttle out in the field, and the oil pressure is better. Normally my grandpa can see blue smoke out of the exhaust pipe if I am way out in the field, and the dark trees provide a backdrop otherwise the blue tint is hard to see. After running it hard for about 2 hours it didn't use a drop of oil. Normally I see at least a 1/2 quart down.
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1955 WD45 Diesel, 1959 D14, All-Crop Drill, 2015 John Deere 5075e, New Holland 279 Haybine, New Holland 575 square baler, New Holland 1032 Stackliner, 10ft Industrias Disc, 6ft Titan grapple
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AC720Man
Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4910 |
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Seafoam in the crankcase will also clean up the engine, rings, valve train. amazing when you change the oil after a little bit of running it. It will be coal black and you will notice how much quieter and smoother the engine runs. I had 2 engines that would put out blue smoke but that stuff cleared both of them up. Carbon build up causes all kinds of issues and it really cleans em up.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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