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the gasket should be as thin as possible without having the rotor drag the cover.. It might be 3-4 thousands.. You can put a straight edge across the case and measure the rotor depth with a feeler gauge.. .... if you use permatex you want a VERY THIN see thru layer on the gasket... normally you can soak the gasket in oil and Squeeze it with the cover..

a piece of construction paper or note book paper might the the right thickness.

Like them all, but love the "B"s.

I smeared a very, very thin coating (like Steve said) on the pumps for my WD. Yes, plural... I rebuilt the original pump and then lucked into a much nicer shape AGCO retrofitted version so I went through it too before putting it back together. I used an old school shellac after flattening the bottom plate as much as I could with glass and a sheet of sandpaper.

Disclaimer... it's not running yet, ha. You're still way farther ahead of me on this CA than I am on my WD that keeps falling to the backburner. And I have a CA project that needs to go into the shop sooner rather than later. I can't wait to see your tractor back in tip top shape!

1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45

Allis folks,

So I took the CA oil pump back off. Several things to improve/ redo. First I forgot to put the gasket from block to the pump. Found the gasket in with the others in the gasket kit. Oops!

Second I took the pump back apart and cleaned the mating surfaces. I reversed the vanes in the pump. I was told this may improve the oil pressure a little. All for that, and the vanes seem very happy reversed.

Cleaned the outside cover plate. Very little wear on the plate. I suppose I could try to get those shallow grooves out of it?

Was warned that Allis may have made a small and large oil pump. Well the gasket I have does not fit well, so maybe the pump I have is a big pump? Have to measure the gasket thickness and maybe carve one out of a sheet. Unless there is a large pump gasket out there?

I did get the dial indicator to play with at some point too. Maybe use it to reset the valve clearance more accurately?

Merry Christmas to all forum members and their families!

Regards,

Chris and Cheryl

Edited by Sugarmaker - 22 Dec 2024 at 6:50pm

D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.

Allis folks,

Our son Adam found a gasket on line that says its for a D10, D12 ..... It looks larger in the picture so we ordered one. We will see next week when it gets here.

Here is the common paper gasket that I made. It doesn't look too bad.

Rear wheel assemblies got some attention. Disassembly, then planning to clean and paint.

These are not Allis rims as you have noted. IH style centers. and weights chopped up to match.

So if the weather is warm enough I plan to put these centers in the E-tank, and wire brush the rims. Rims have been widened in the past. The tires have some age but should work just fine for a little puller in the stock classes.

Happy New Year!

Regards,

Chris and Cheryl

Edited by Sugarmaker - 31 Dec 2024 at 10:48am

D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.

Just a comment, we have been finding many camshaft oil pump drive pins loose in the bore. We always check on cam driven oil pumps B-G160 D15II. A loose drive pin will dump oil pressure at the back of the cam.

When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money..

Allis guys,

I got a start on cleaning the rear rims on the CA. The tires have some cracks for sure but should be ok for pulling for a while. The plan is to paint the rims a silver color. Maybe Rustoleum rattle can silver. Not sure on the center portion of the wheel color? Maybe the off white. Then I have to paint the partials of the weights also. The weights could be off white also. I have a plan to set up a temp paint booth in the shop. Crude but should help control most of the over spray. The Comet and the 32 have covers on them.

Regards,

Chris and Cheryl

D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.

I have painted several rims with this.... I just use a brush, not spray..

Like them all, but love the "B"s.

Guys,

Thanks for the suggestions! The answer is in there somewhere!

Welcome to 2025!

Regards,

Chris and Cheryl

D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.

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DiyDave Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 52001	Post Options Post Reply Quote DiyDave Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Dec 2024 at 2:45pm
	I'd mike the paper, and then (for example) Google .010 gasket paper, get a roll and cut it out myself. They are easy enough, tape a slightly bigger piece of paper than you need to the pump, take a ball peen hammer and tap lightly around the edges, and at the bolt holes, and the paper is marked for cutting...
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steve(ill) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 82002	Post Options Post Reply Quote steve(ill) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Dec 2024 at 3:48pm
	the gasket should be as thin as possible without having the rotor drag the cover.. It might be 3-4 thousands.. You can put a straight edge across the case and measure the rotor depth with a feeler gauge.. .... if you use permatex you want a VERY THIN see thru layer on the gasket... normally you can soak the gasket in oil and Squeeze it with the cover.. a piece of construction paper or note book paper might the the right thickness.
	Like them all, but love the "B"s.

Sugarmaker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8315	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sugarmaker Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Dec 2024 at 3:51pm
	Dave, Yes, I have done that with several gaskets in the past. Getting lazy. But now would be the time to do it over. Story of my life. Thanks for the input. Regards, Chris and Cheryl
	D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.

wjohn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: KS Points: 2027	Post Options Post Reply Quote wjohn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Dec 2024 at 7:24pm
	I smeared a very, very thin coating (like Steve said) on the pumps for my WD. Yes, plural... I rebuilt the original pump and then lucked into a much nicer shape AGCO retrofitted version so I went through it too before putting it back together. I used an old school shellac after flattening the bottom plate as much as I could with glass and a sheet of sandpaper. Disclaimer... it's not running yet, ha. You're still way farther ahead of me on this CA than I am on my WD that keeps falling to the backburner. And I have a CA project that needs to go into the shop sooner rather than later. I can't wait to see your tractor back in tip top shape!
	1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45

Sugarmaker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8315	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sugarmaker Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Dec 2024 at 7:56pm
	Guys, Thanks for the ideas and support on the CA oil pump. I mean it is the heart of the system. I am great for doing things twice, or maybe even three times! So I may pull it off and clean it up again and start over I also got some good advice from a CA expert. That's what I like about this forum. Great suggestions, and recommendations! I should ask before I act. But that's not like me. More like the bull in the China shop! Regards, Chris and Cheryl
	D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.

Sugarmaker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8315	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sugarmaker Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2024 at 6:35pm
	Allis folks, So I took the CA oil pump back off. Several things to improve/ redo. First I forgot to put the gasket from block to the pump. Found the gasket in with the others in the gasket kit. Oops! Second I took the pump back apart and cleaned the mating surfaces. I reversed the vanes in the pump. I was told this may improve the oil pressure a little. All for that, and the vanes seem very happy reversed. Cleaned the outside cover plate. Very little wear on the plate. I suppose I could try to get those shallow grooves out of it? Was warned that Allis may have made a small and large oil pump. Well the gasket I have does not fit well, so maybe the pump I have is a big pump? Have to measure the gasket thickness and maybe carve one out of a sheet. Unless there is a large pump gasket out there? I did get the dial indicator to play with at some point too. Maybe use it to reset the valve clearance more accurately? Merry Christmas to all forum members and their families! Regards, Chris and Cheryl Edited by Sugarmaker - 22 Dec 2024 at 6:50pm
	D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.

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	Merry to You & Cheryl

Sugarmaker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8315	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sugarmaker Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 2024 at 10:46am
	Allis folks, Our son Adam found a gasket on line that says its for a D10, D12 ..... It looks larger in the picture so we ordered one. We will see next week when it gets here. Here is the common paper gasket that I made. It doesn't look too bad. Rear wheel assemblies got some attention. Disassembly, then planning to clean and paint. These are not Allis rims as you have noted. IH style centers. and weights chopped up to match. So if the weather is warm enough I plan to put these centers in the E-tank, and wire brush the rims. Rims have been widened in the past. The tires have some age but should work just fine for a little puller in the stock classes. Happy New Year! Regards, Chris and Cheryl Edited by Sugarmaker - 31 Dec 2024 at 10:48am
	D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.

tadams(OH) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Location: Jeromesville, O Points: 10248	Post Options Post Reply Quote tadams(OH) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 2024 at 3:09pm
	Happy New Years . Been reading your postings in the Ford barn I am still a couple years back. Keep up the good work

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	Just a comment, we have been finding many camshaft oil pump drive pins loose in the bore. We always check on cam driven oil pumps B-G160 D15II. A loose drive pin will dump oil pressure at the back of the cam.
	When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money..

Sugarmaker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8315	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sugarmaker Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 2024 at 8:59pm
	tadams and tbran' The Ford barn is a lot of fun for us. Trying to keep the Fords running along with these Allis tractors too! If you cant sleep, reading some of my posts there could help. Thanks for the hints on the pin in the pump. Of course I did not check that! :) Humm? (update) i guess I should ask more about how you check that and fix it if out of spec? Regards, Chris and Cheryl Edited by Sugarmaker - Yesterday at 10:30am
	D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.

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	Allis guys, I got a start on cleaning the rear rims on the CA. The tires have some cracks for sure but should be ok for pulling for a while. The plan is to paint the rims a silver color. Maybe Rustoleum rattle can silver. Not sure on the center portion of the wheel color? Maybe the off white. Then I have to paint the partials of the weights also. The weights could be off white also. I have a plan to set up a temp paint booth in the shop. Crude but should help control most of the over spray. The Comet and the 32 have covers on them. Regards, Chris and Cheryl
	D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.

wjohn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: KS Points: 2027	Post Options Post Reply Quote wjohn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 hours 54 minutes ago at 7:28pm
	Chris, I sure hate to see anything other than power adjust rims on a CA, but I'd reuse them too in your situation. You don't need tread adjustment for cultivating. New rims aren't cheap!
	1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45

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	I have painted several rims with this.... I just use a brush, not spray..
	Like them all, but love the "B"s.

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	. I've painted guitars with that hammered rustoleum, spray rattle cans though. .

Sugarmaker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8315	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sugarmaker Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 hours 42 minutes ago at 9:40pm
	Guys, Thanks for the suggestions! The answer is in there somewhere! Welcome to 2025! Regards, Chris and Cheryl
	D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.