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wjohn 
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 Topic: 1954 WD-45 w/ 3 Bolt WFE
Posted: 06 Oct 2024 at 10:43am |
I dragged home another yard ornament - WD-45 serial number 181809. The engine is stuck, but it appears to be complete minus the fill neck and dipstick for the hydraulics/belt pulley reservoir. The rear tires are decent and one rear rim is good. It looks like someone put in a new radiator or had one serviced and repainted.
When I saw the tractor I assumed that someone put an earlier 3 bolt wide front on it later in its life, but I looked at the parts book and AC didn't change to the 4 bolt WFE until SN 186413.
I hope to get time to pull plugs, valve cover, etc. and maybe dump some diesel in the cylinders and let it sit. The hand crank mechanism is busted where it engages the front crank pulley and I assume that's from someone whomping on it trying to break it loose. I just think the tractor is too complete to part it out. Am I dumb? Probably yes.
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DSeries4
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Posted: 06 Oct 2024 at 3:57pm |
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The 4 bolt front end came out in 1955 when the diesel was introduced. My 54 is 3 bolt as well.
Before trying to crank the engine over, send a bore scope down the spark plug holes to see how bad things are. Do the same with the valve cover as well.
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Alberta Phil
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Posted: 06 Oct 2024 at 5:39pm |
Too complete to scrap out. Get 'er running and see how it does.
I've got a WD that was given to me for parts a few years ago. Doesn't look as good as that one. I got it going and replaced the lights and it's been my main bush hog tractor for the last three years.
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Posted: 06 Oct 2024 at 5:53pm |
John, Good save on the wide front WD45! Looks pretty good to me! Regards, Chris and Cheryl
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Posted: 07 Oct 2024 at 5:28am |
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Pretty straight looking old tractor. ope you can got can get it going.
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Posted: 07 Oct 2024 at 7:39am |
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Before you start soaking the cylinders, use a borescope (you can get one online for less than $20, that sends to an app on a phone) to see what's going on in the cylinders. If it has set outside with an uncovered exhaust, you are probably wasting your time soaking it.
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Posted: 07 Oct 2024 at 9:54am |
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That's too good to scrap based on outward appearance. Another survivor, McConnell name still exists in Lawrence and is still Orange but it's now Kubota. There is a small (believe it or not) AGCO dealer in Lawrence by the name of Shuck. They have helped me on several occasions to get Allis parts for my 45. Also, have better than average knowledge of that old stuff.
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wjohn
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Posted: 07 Oct 2024 at 10:25pm |
I keep forgetting it's 2024 and borescopes are cheap. Thanks for the reminder - need to research one that will be compatible with my older cheap smart phone and get it ordered.
I pulled spark plugs and the rear two looked pristine. The front two cylinders are the ones with some crud in them, I suspect, based on the condition of the plugs. I'm guessing the head will need to come off but that scope will be able to confirm.
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wjohn
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Posted: 07 Oct 2024 at 10:27pm |
 DSeries4 wrote:
The 4 bolt front end came out in 1955 when the diesel was introduced. My 54 is 3 bolt as well.
Before trying to crank the engine over, send a bore scope down the spark plug holes to see how bad things are. Do the same with the valve cover as well. |
I did not know that about the timing with the diesel. Thanks!
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wjohn
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Posted: 07 Oct 2024 at 10:29pm |
Dennis J OPKs wrote:
That's too good to scrap based on outward appearance. Another survivor, McConnell name still exists in Lawrence and is still Orange but it's now Kubota. There is a small (believe it or not) AGCO dealer in Lawrence by the name of Shuck. They have helped me on several occasions to get Allis parts for my 45. Also, have better than average knowledge of that old stuff. |
I love when a dealer decal is still on a tractor. I wonder if it was ever repainted (like at trade in later in its life) or if it's original paint w/ decal. Thanks for the info on the dealer.
Here's another piece of semi-local history on this tractor that I haven't been able to find any info on yet:
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Dennis J OPKs
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Posted: 10 Oct 2024 at 2:53pm |
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Is that a spinner knob? I doubt that company in KC is still in biz but there is worldwide pump company called Pioneer, have no idea if it's the same company. I hope you find the motor to be salvageable. Even though they upgraded the wide front from 3 bolt to 4, it's still has some vulnerable weak spots. There is no lubrication on the pivot points and it's open to discussion whether they are better dry or lubed to draw dirt. The back one can wallow out and need help. Secondly, the steering arm that connects the tie rods to cast fork shaft hub is held on by only 2 bolts. They can loosen & should be checked before damage is done and the threads in the fork shaft hub get wallowed out. Ask me how I know when you lose steering. Good luck
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Posted: 10 Oct 2024 at 4:43pm |
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I've had a couple of those type spinner knows, I can't tell ya anything about them, except I thought they were about the best ya could get...
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Posted: 10 Oct 2024 at 7:23pm |
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I have a prior WD WF with the same bolt up. The machine looks good. Hopefully you can get it running. If it's stuck those are sleeved engines so you could get sleeves and pistons and be back in business. Expensive but a new tractor is expensive+.
Turn by hand with a wrench first. Starter with a new Battery could bend something.
When I was twelve and my brother was nine we jumped up and down on the end of a pipe over a wrench on the crank pulley nut of a Case Combine our father dragged home from an auction with a stuck engine. We jumped while he pounded on a wood block with a sledgehammer on the stuck cylinder. We got the engine to turn and he combined wheat and corn with it for several years. Until a severe windstorm dropped a massive oak tree on it and flattened it.
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Posted: 10 Oct 2024 at 7:52pm |
this is the wheel spinner that was on my Allis 1958 CA when I got it 35 years ago! It could be a Thumb buster if you are not careful! The power steering system is a great improvement!
Dewayne
Edited by DSpears N IL - 10 Oct 2024 at 7:55pm
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Posted: 10 Oct 2024 at 8:06pm |
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wjohn, I have that same spinner on my7045. Was there when I bought it
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IBWD MIke
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Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 8:23am |
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I have several different brands of 'spinner knobs' around here. Pretty sure some of both pictured. Like some better than others but just happier if the wheel has one on it! Picked up a new one yesterday to replace one that went bad on my 1650 CC, Agrilink brand. No idea how good or bad it might be, it's what they sell at the store.
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Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 8:28pm |
Dennis J OPKs wrote:
Is that a spinner knob? I doubt that company in KC is still in biz but there is worldwide pump company called Pioneer, have no idea if it's the same company. I hope you find the motor to be salvageable. Even though they upgraded the wide front from 3 bolt to 4, it's still has some vulnerable weak spots. There is no lubrication on the pivot points and it's open to discussion whether they are better dry or lubed to draw dirt. The back one can wallow out and need help. Secondly, the steering arm that connects the tie rods to cast fork shaft hub is held on by only 2 bolts. They can loosen & should be checked before damage is done and the threads in the fork shaft hub get wallowed out. Ask me how I know when you lose steering. Good luck |
Sure is. They appear to have misspelled "Pioneer" though? Maybe it was a dealer/distributor in the KC area at one point. Thanks for the things to check on the WFE. At first glance it seems that it's not all destroyed but I'll find out for sure when I get into it.
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Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 8:36pm |
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Very neat details about the spinner knobs, guys! Thanks. I did not know that they were so easily customized - it looks like a company could probably order a batch of them with their custom text on it from whatever company actually manufactured the knobs, and use them as marketing pieces (kind of like pens and beer koozies now?). Definitely before my time on this earth.
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Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 8:40pm |
Funny that someone posts a Knoedler logoed knob - this tractor actually has a Knoedler seat on it that is in bad need of a rebuild. I found a good thread on the forum about that. Also, I had been pronouncing it wrong until I saw the spinner knob.
This tractor also must have been used for plowing in rocky ground back in the day (no shortage of that around here). It has the cushion stop for the hand clutch kickout, but unfortunately is missing the lever from the hitch below that would actually kick it out.
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