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Gleaner Model A - Good Enough? |
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wjohn
Orange Level Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: KS Points: 1989 |
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Posted: 08 Mar 2024 at 9:41pm |
By chance I stumbled across an old Gleaner A that last ran 2.5 years ago. I haven't thoroughly gone over it, but at first glance it was in good shape and has always been inside. It has a 14' header on it and no cab. Not sure which engine it has.
It doesn't look like you can get rasp bars for them anymore, but some other parts are still available. I'd been keeping my eye out for an E, K, or F. If I accept and understand that parts availability will be even worse with an A than for those models... What are your thoughts on using one? I just have a few acres of tillable, and no need for a corn head out here, but I'd like to have something that does a decent job. Gasser and open station would work for what I am doing.
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DrAllis
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 20502 |
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If it is an "A2", the engine will be the Buda/Allis G-230 which is the little brother to the G-262 used in the D-19. An old straight model "A", I'm not sure. It may be an older version of the 230 engine with the water pump on the cylinder head instead of the engines block, similar to the D-17/WD45 diesel.
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wjohn
Orange Level Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: KS Points: 1989 |
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I hope it has the G-230. However it may be old enough to have the Hercules or even old Ford engine. Regardless I hope I wouldn't have to touch the engine other than maybe some gaskets. Not sure what parts are still available for the Hercules or Ford.
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dkattau
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Parts are still available for the flathead Ford 6s. They’re still pretty popular with the resto and hot rod crowds.
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DSeries4
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 7334 |
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My dad had a Gleaner A years ago that had a Hercules engine in it. I don't think the Buda engines were used until the A2s.
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Michael V (NM)
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: NM Points: 2405 |
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I have an A here that has the 230,,I think its a '64 year, just before the A2, maybe Norm's book says when the change was made??
we had an R before this A, and it had the flat hercules engine,, ,, ohh my,, how I remember that,, I don't know,, cause I was prolly only 6-7 years old... |
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tbran
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paris Tn Points: 3295 |
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I would hold out for an F/F2 - they are getting cheap. The input shaft and truck style trany on the A /A2 - I have memories of laying in the mud on a cardboard sheet changing out parts... The wooden raddle - it is probably gone - a lot of chains were ag type flat chains. You are looking at a 60 year old machine - and w/o a cab - crops are different today than in the early 60's.
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When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money..
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wjohn
Orange Level Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: KS Points: 1989 |
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Good to hear in the chance this is one of the very early As.
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wjohn
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I found a manual for the A that mentions gas and LP 230 engines, and the 262 diesel. I bet you're right and the later As must be the ones that had those engines.
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wjohn
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So the input shaft and transmissions were a weak point on these? I will be sure to look at the raddle. Guess I could get the A and see how things go, and keep my eye out for an F/F2 in the meantime.
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AC7060IL
Orange Level Joined: 19 Aug 2012 Location: central IL Points: 3343 |
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WJohn, All Gleaners are good machines. That said, I’ve never owned/operate the Gleaner A or A2. But you may want to begin by driving to your local combine salvage yards to have a look around their gleaner boneyard BEFORE you acquire one?
Also ask your local AGCO what parts are still available? Gleaner A was produced 1951-1963. The 51’-55’ models have their year included in serial numbers. Here’s beginning # per years; 51A9001, 52A9006, 53A5000, 54A7001, 55A9001, 1956-63 model’s serial # begin as such; A11361, A12975, A15174*, A19602, A23574, A25493, A27482, A28811. * denotes tailings returned to cylinder effective A16000. I believe prior to 16000 serial numbers, tailings were collected into a gunny sack / old feed sack so tailings could be fed to farm livestock(hogs/chickens,etc). The Gleaner A & A2 machine dimensions (cylind er/walker/sieve/chaffer/etc) widths are very unique at 30 inches… Perhaps a few same era C & C2 (40” width) parts might swap?(walker?)? But I believe no other gleaner model’s parts are going to swap into them? Engines were as follows; 1951-Ford 6 cyl 226 @ 70hp, 1953-Hercules 6 237 @ ?hp, 1957-AC/Buda 6 230 @ ?hp, Wooden rattle chain’s wooden slats like to warp/bend given humidity & time. Who knows though maybe Gleaner or aftermarkets offered a box metal slat replacement chain at some point? Check it out to know for sure. I second Tbran’s 1968-82 F/F2 idea. They were offered as an AC diesel or gas. The Chevy 6 292 gas engine still has many parts available at auto part stores at reasonable prices. Their Grain headers & Cornheads are not only more plentiful but improved designs (flex cutter bars, wobble drive, black cornhead, etc) not to mention usually more salvage yard parts to acquire? Anyway good luck. Please let us know how it works out. |
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wjohn
Orange Level Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: KS Points: 1989 |
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AC7060IL, plenty of them around here in original Gleaner country for parts. I have probably seen a dozen at farm auctions in just the last 6 months and most/all went for scrap. They are much harder to drag home than the parts All-Crops that I have saved recently.
And AGCO getting their parts books online w/ part cost and availability info has made it very easy to see what is still available - much easier than a few years ago when I had to make a list from the parts book and stop by my dealer. Then you find out what no longer exists, and which bolts are still available but are $50. No tailings return on the early ones! That is definitely something I take for granted as even All-Crop Harvesters had that for years before the Gleaner A was in production. You got my attention by mentioning some remote possibility of C/C2 commonality. I doubt we're this lucky but I wonder if there are any rasp bars (like C/M/etc.) that have the same bolt spacing and could be cut down to width? Something to look at if I ever have to find rasp bars for an A. The owner was not quite sure he was ready to sell yet but also admitted he is probably done combining with it. If I hear from him you can be sure I'll post on here. Thanks as always for the Gleaner info.
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AC7060IL
Orange Level Joined: 19 Aug 2012 Location: central IL Points: 3343 |
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Gleaner A did not offer a PIVOT SHAFT variable cylinder drive speed like the newer improved E,F,G models. Meaning, they had NO range of speeds within a SINGLE SPEED selected sprocket(chain) or sheave(belt).
One commonality of the older Gleaner (Models A-L) threshing cylinders, is that ALL have diameters of 19.25”….. only exception is Spike tooth had 19.62”. So yes, with ample fabrication & patience, wider model rasp bars could probably swap between them? Just keep them balanced!! To that end, the channel bar type “concaves” might be fabbed/swapped too? Near/about serial number 14053 (1957?) Gleaner offered the G230 gasoline engine as a 12 volt system. Prior G230 gas had 6 volt system. Also a 6B230 LP version & D262 diesel became available in the model A, R, & B. From viewing book photos, the A’s hydraulic stackable “header height control valve & transmission variable speed valve bodies” look to be similar to newer E,F,G ?? |
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AC7060IL
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This photo shows the Gleaner A's transmssion/differential/axle configuration that tbran eluded to his earlier post.
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8241 |
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I ran a A2 1967 for 19 years on 88A. No variable head speed,no header clutch. No big deal. 3-30 corn head and 13ft platform. I would weld up rasp cylinder bars if not worn or rusted paper thin. I liked it.
Worst thing about the A,C,G was the traction drive. Spring in variable wouldn't get through mud. The cam drive spring in F2 was BIG improvement. Edited by SteveM C/IL - 11 Mar 2024 at 7:23am |
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AC7060IL
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WJohn, Thought of you when I saw this add. Is Akron, CO close to your KS address??
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wjohn
Orange Level Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: KS Points: 1989 |
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Thank you sir! I saw that too... it is nowhere close to me, sadly. I hope it makes someone a nice combine. Seems like it may not have a ton of hours on it coming from CSU? Too bad there is no header with it, but there are still plenty around.
Sorry for being absent on this thread lately - in the meantime I found a CII w/ 16' header just a few miles from me. It last ran 5 years ago and has been shedded its whole life, plus comes with a parts machine. I am going to try to get it running and drive it home. It's that or flat tow it with header still attached using a 1 ton truck, which I am not terribly excited about given the roads.
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