where to get a 175 cam

Pankey says the biggest cam he ever seen duration wise was a comp cams grind in a allis g226 bored to 4 5/8 with a Ross flat top piston with 1.3 compression height on a 8 inch rod swung by a 6 inch stroked crank . He says anyone can figure the static comp.by those values . He says that Barney Taylor and Chad Steineger both pulled against it and both agreed it didn't have lugging power on the other end but both agree it was good enough when it died to win about as many natpa points championships as it got featured in hook magazine .mike tarbils 403ci engine had a lot stacked up against it I guess but some how it persevered. Sometimes what's on paper as a parts list don't add up but makes headlines in papers of popular pulling magazines. Cotton crazy you would have never known how Marty's stuff worked or didn't work if you hadn't listen to Mitch and removed the had clutch. However the stuff you had before might have worked if you had removed the hand clutch and made the wheel adapter before doing Marty's work and Pankey work all at the same time

Edited by mgburchard - 31 Aug 2014 at 4:25pm

Pank, to clarify.....I never had any valve problems other than bent push rods Cant say about the other tractors that cam was in.

Do you still have the numbers for that cam you got? I cannot find them or I'd put them out here.

Go ahead and put the numbers out for the cam I got from you...no matter to me

Edited by Larry(OH) - 01 Sep 2014 at 9:05am

Cottoncrazy's enthusiasm is making me want to shake the mothballs off a couple of tractors and get back into the frackus.

That being said, there are a very few folk I've seen on here (or met as a result of the Allis Forum) that I'd want to consult/collaborate on building a tractor. I'll list them.

Dr. Allis
OPS heads
wi50
Dave Karpel
Steve@B&B

They each have their specialities - and I'll definitely be talking to them if the "fever" ever gets a hold on me enough to start pulling again.

Hey Panky, while your at it - why don't you tell the folks how you did against us?

I'm gettin' about as tired of your crap as anybody else. Results are the gist of braggin' rights - and I haven't seen yours. Plain and simple.

I don't pull natpa. Never did, but I have several customers who are either in the top and very competitive, or dominant..... I ran outlaw high rpm and not much on my tractor was legal for natpa. If you weren't so ignorant pank, you would know that by the pictures of my tractor.

I do pull NTPA amongst the highest levels of competition and the best builders in this country and perhaps the world. I do just fine, you can check the results for yourself.

We each have our own expectations. Though mine are much higher than yours.

Edited by wi50 - 01 Sep 2014 at 12:42pm

mgburchard wrote: Oh Pankey got beat by guys that gave up on allis engines and built a Chevy engine. The Chevy didn't fair well against the IH red diamond of russels though.

We didn't give up on Allis engines, we just played the rules the boys who couldn't beat the Allis' set.

It isn't our fault they changed the rules that any engine a particular manufacturer used could be used in the same manufacturers tractor. The Oliver boys happened to forget Allis used the 292. They blew the horn on Russell's 292 powered H, and he moved right on up to the 650 CI IH Red Diamond.

True on Russell's tractor! Beast for sure. But, he put us in the trophy spot by breaking as much as he beat us. Way too much torque in too small a package. Which is why he moved on up to Molines. His big Red Diamond in a 560/656 would be nasty combination - but too heavy for a W-type Allis class.

Pankey says thank you .says your complement is thanks . not to shabby for a four banger to by your account take second place .

mgburchard wrote: . The wizard went over this with you when you was arquing that 60 teeth in 360 degree was a 6 degree timing change but now your agreeing with wizard that its more . the allis 226 can gear tooth is about .400 thick a 8 degree eccentric cam bushing has .090 more material on one side . if .090 is 8 degrees how much is .400 ?

Edited by Butch(OH) - 02 Sep 2014 at 6:41am

Larry(OH) wrote: Pank, to clarify.....I never had any valve problems other than bent push rods Cant say about the other tractors that cam was in. Do you still have the numbers for that cam you got? I cannot find them or I'd put them out here. Go ahead and put the numbers out for the cam I got from you...no matter to me

If you can't get any data to which seams to be the case here after multiple requests, I could measure it up and give you some fairley accurate data and then give you an idea what application it would be well suited in. I don't have a fancy electronic cam measuring system, but I do have degree wheels, dial indicators, ets and have spent my for share of time with them. A friend has a Cam Dr and at times I head over and see him. Various cam grinders will also measure it and give you accurate data.

In this case, acquiring accurate data will be helpful so you don't wind up with the wrong parts in the wrong engine, or at least have a saleable or trade worthy part. Don't take someone's word for it, get the numbers for yourself.

I've got several cams around people have traded me, some of them are going to work in some applications and some are going to stay on the shelf until my kids throw scrap away.

Edited by wi50 - 01 Sep 2014 at 9:26pm

A lot of difference in volume of a 240 ci engine vs 440 ci engine . for every 50ci the cam needs 10 degrees more duration at .050 I've never tried to impress WiFi . I successfully show his ignorance 280 advertised duration can if you know what lifter rise it was measured at hit 214 degrees at .050 lifter rise . lunati cams has several in catalog that do just that . sometimes you just put bait out to catch the not so smart fish in the sea.

Edited by mgburchard - 02 Sep 2014 at 7:36pm

Ken(MI) wrote: "For every 50CI the cam needs 10 degrees more duration at .050" ?????? This piece of wisdom should be in the Bosch Automotive Handbook, or maybe Pank should write his own.  WOW, what a thread!

Hudsonator, is this pank guy for real?

We should give pank a round of applause for being the enviromentalist he is. Just think of the fuel he would waste going to the dyno challenge or a tractor pull, just getting on the trailer without a winch would be a challenge.

Larry Ohio post isky cam specification here so readers can see Pankey was telling truth about most cams come from who ever at 280* advertised

Panky says this, panky says that, why can't panky speak for himself???