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    Posted: 08 Nov 2023 at 10:22am
good morning,

i have a 175 diesal and the fuel tank is dirty. it occasionaly plugs up the line.   i know the right thing to do would be to take the tank off and clean it. but i simply dont have the time. is there anyway to hook up a sediment bowl on it maybe i can clean it out slowly via the bowl?

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Just friendly thoughts from experience. By the time you round up the parts you need to put a bowl on and install it you could have the tank cleaned
That bowl will cause you much annoyance
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8070nc is right. It does take time, but it's worth taking the tank off and getting it cleaned right. Get it coated at the same time so that there is no exposed bare metal. Replace all the fuel filters at the same time. I had a bunch of rust flakes inside of my lift pump as well.
Putting a sediment bowl on would be like putting a band aid on a broken arm.
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Cleaning the tank is the solution.  You have a 90 degree elbow/shut-off connection in the bottom of the tank now, correct ???   Many times with enough crap in the tank, the outlet hole to the tank gets plugged and won't let fuel come out at all. So, a sediment bowl probably won't fix much if anything.  I can be pretty creative sometimes and might consider draining the tank, removing that elbow from the tank outlet, and power washing the tank without removing the hood. I'd alter the aim of my pressure washer wand as I washed and only do a couple gallons at a time and let it drain. Monitor what comes out and probably do it again until things seem to run clear. Long wash times would be bad because the higher you get the water level, the higher your potential crap line will be.  Let drain fully (parked on a level spot !!!) and use a lot of compressed air or maybe even your wife's blow-dryer blowing into the fill spout to dehumidify the tank. Pretty easy to look inside and see the drain hole with a small flashlite. Lastly, I'd drill the elbow and add a 2 inch tall standpipe with some small cross holes drilled in it. THIS IS IN LIEU OF TANK REMOVAL WHICH IS STILL THE BEST WAY !!!
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I had a D17 wiht a dirty tank and did what DR says except i dind't make a standpipe.
I washed a lot of junk out of that tank and now for 2 years it's been good. It depends on how bad and rusty the tank is.
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Like others suggested, I think you'll find cleaning the tank isn't a big deal, and the only proper solution. I did my 180 not long ago, took a good afternoon.

There's a lot of debate as to whether it's best to put a liner in there when you clean it. My view has always been: If it's leaking around a seam or other pinhole leaks, put a liner it. If not, don't do the liner. Lots, and lots, and lots of problems are caused with liners that have started to disintegrate over time - usually because of lousy do-it yourselfers who did poor prep work. When they start to degrade they plug up every fuel system component, and are a nightmare to strip out. If it gets into your injection pump, you have major issues. If you use a liner, go thick, and focus on the prep work.  I've bought a couple tractors (and one old Fiat convertible) with degrading liners and swear I'll never buy one again. They usually start to degrade only in one spot where the tank had some rust, and the resto of the liner is still stuck so well it's a nigthmare to strip. The acids you need to get it all out will usually eat through the metal (and your hands/clothes/tools).

For a tank that's dirty and not leaking, my method of choice is:

i) Clean with a degreasing agent: That Purple 'Super-Clean' stuff or the degreaser made by WD40 are good options. Several rinses with a small amount are better than one big rinse. Tumble it around well (some people strap it to a cement mixer), and throw some bolts/chain in there to help strip all the grime off. It's important to do this before step ii), because the rust removers won't work at all if there's grease/grime covering any rust.

ii) Clean with a good rust-removing solution. For light rust, the 'Evap-o-Rust' type products work ok. For heavy rust, I prefer phosphoric acid/naval jelly.. Tumble as per above.

iii) Rinse out with water and dry as best as you can with a blow gun.

iv) Rinse with methyl hydrate to displace any remaining water. Blow dry and let it evaporate out (methyl hydrate will bind to any remaining water and evaporate quickly).

v) Rinse with WD40, to coat the bare metal surfaces and wick its way into any seams to prevent future rust.

vi) Install back on tractor, and keep tank full over winter to prevent future condensation/rust. As long as you keep it full over winter and fill it up a couple of other times a year, there will be enough fuel residue on the tank's internal surface to prevent rusting - especially if it's diesel.
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thank you i agree taking it off is best and will happen in a few months but right now is just not a good time.     even though its perfect timing as its low on fuel as im switching from off road diesel to premium for the winter..   time sucks.
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thank you. i will save that. i have never cleaned a tank before. ive been pretty profiecent in repriming it everytime it happens but its getting very annoying. lol
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having to reprime it from running out of fuel or running poor from running out of fuel will cause the injection pump to go south alot quicker
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ANDY T Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov 2023 at 9:26am
Originally posted by HudCo HudCo wrote:

having to reprime it from running out of fuel or running poor from running out of fuel will cause the injection pump to go south alot quicker



thats a fair point..
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