Allis Plow ID and Points Needed

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   I need some help IDing this plow.
It also needs a set of points.
Thanks in advance.
Brad

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BradinNC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NC Points: 51	Post Options Post Reply Quote BradinNC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Allis Plow ID and Points Needed Posted: 22 Sep 2009 at 4:12am
	I need some help IDing this plow. It also needs a set of points. Thanks in advance. Brad

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JOE(PA) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Schellsburg,Pa. Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote JOE(PA) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 2009 at 5:14am
	Brad from what I can tell you have a A-C # 2 plow. Joe(Pa)

JOE(PA) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Schellsburg,Pa. Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote JOE(PA) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 2009 at 5:16am
	Brad, you have from what books I have is a A-C # 2 plow. Joe(PA)

Matt MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Silver lake MN Points: 1491	Post Options Post Reply Quote Matt MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 2009 at 7:25am
	there isn't a tail wheel so wouldn't that be a #4 2 bottom plow?

Jeff(WC)(MI) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: S.E. Michigan Points: 376	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jeff(WC)(MI) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 2009 at 8:16pm
	Matt- I am by no means claiming to be preaching gospel but heres what i have come to understand after inquiring about mine and looking through my parts books....i have a #2 plow..it does not have a tail wheel but it does have a long landslide in the rear....that matches with what i have found in my parts books.....the tail wheel doesn;t make it a #2 or #4.....from the parts book and looking at the differences the #2 is heavier duty than the #4 and the #2 has a axle stop on the right hand side sticking down where the #4 does not....also that same axle is thicker where it bends from vertical to horizontal on the inside of the wheel and i think the #4 is lighter duty with a welded piece of metal in the bend for rigidity...like i said this is not gospel..just what i have gathered ...someone else may correct me if i'm wrong

Jeff(WC)(MI) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: S.E. Michigan Points: 376	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jeff(WC)(MI) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 2009 at 8:17pm
	if i were to guess i would say #4

Butch(OH) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lucerne Ohio Points: 3834	Post Options Post Reply Quote Butch(OH) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 2009 at 8:32pm
	Jeff nailed the plow model and other info well, it's a number 4. Plow model wont get you the correct shares, for that you need bottom numbers. In person I can tell the more common bottoms apart, pictures are tough. They look like #24 to me. Best to get a number from the moldboard, if the stencil is not readable you may need to remove the moldboard to find a part number stamping, should be a six digit number.

BradinNC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NC Points: 51	Post Options Post Reply Quote BradinNC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 7:31am
	Thanks for the help. What's the chances of finding a set of points for it.

Gerald J. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gerald J. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 10:52am
	Zero without identifying the bottom from a part number on the shares, the moldboards, the shins (if any), or the frog. Probably difficult with that identification, but AC plow shares tend to not work on multiple bottoms, but most of the bottoms in my bottoms book have anywhere up to a dozen shares as options for rocks, deep suck, cast, chilled cast, steel, hard steel, etc. Gerald J.

ALinIL Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Frankfort, IL Points: 316	Post Options Post Reply Quote ALinIL Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 11:14am
	Brad - Here are some places that can help with points, shares, etc. AL http://www.balsters.net/plowshares.html http://www.ag1.net/catalog/700-1.html

N.C. Stanley Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 23 Sep 2009 Location: Jordan, NY Points: 16	Post Options Post Reply Quote N.C. Stanley Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 11:26am
	I have asked the same question about identifying plow bottoms on several different forums. Of course the first answer is to find a number on one of the wear parts. I have yet to find a six-digit Allis part number stamped on any later plow part, ie. bolt on share bottom. My B-C plows, however, all have part numbers stamped in the moldboard. I have one moldboard that I can still read the decal/stencil, telling me it is a 363-14 bottom. It only has one number stamped into it, a '4'. My plow is a SC model 63, with 360 series bottoms. (361, 362, 363, the difference is the moldboard.) The first thing to identify on you plow is whether or not the shares are quick-detachable with a hook arrangement to hold them on, or whether they have bolt-on shares. If the share is QD than they are probably No. 24 or 124 bottoms, etc., and shares may be hard to find new. It looks like your shares bolt on. It would be very helpful to have a couple of pics of the back or underside of the bottoms, and the rear bottom landside. See if the rear landside shoe is cast iron, and if it is, is the number on it 331070. Crescent Forge & Shovel had all of the parts for my 360 bottoms, but there phones seem to be disconnected? Post some more pics of the bottoms up here and I'll try to get you some part numbers. -Nick

Gerald J. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gerald J. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 12:54pm
	Landsides were often used on several different bottoms so are the least great bottom identifiers. Moldboards and frogs are best, shares very good, though aftermarket shares did and do exist. Yes, there are sometimes bottom framing or mounting details that are nearly unique to a particular bottom. Gerald J.

BradinNC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NC Points: 51	Post Options Post Reply Quote BradinNC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 10:26pm
	The part #'s on the back of the moldboards is 309244. Thanks for all the help. Brad

TomYaz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10323	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomYaz Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 12:19am
	Kind of hijacking and pimping here; so forgive me as I am in the clutches of "sin" But I got a NOS 325604 mold board for sale. for 333 & 363 bottoms...

Gerald J. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gerald J. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 9:44am
	OK 309244 was used on the 54 and 124 bottoms. The 54 has a forged frog, the 124 has a welded frog. The bracing and share attachment in your picture matches only the 124 bottom. So the plow shares could be: 308860, 308863, 308866 for 12" and 308861, 323654,308864, 308879, 308880, 309270, 308867, 309235, 309234 for 14" all right hand. The different shares are made of different materials, solid steel, chilled iron, or soft centered steel, with different shapes to change the suck, the width of the cut and the resistance to rocks. All will plow. Gerald J.

N.C. Stanley Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 23 Sep 2009 Location: Jordan, NY Points: 16	Post Options Post Reply Quote N.C. Stanley Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 11:19am
	Tom, Is that p/n stamped in the moldboard or on a decal? If stamped, where is the stamping located? Thanks. -Nick

TomYaz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10323	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomYaz Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 11:32am
	Its a crescent forge aftermarket bottom...think its painted on.

BradinNC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NC Points: 51	Post Options Post Reply Quote BradinNC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 10:30pm
	Thanks for all of the help. I have one other plow I would like to get identified. I got new aftermarket shares with the plow. On the back of the new share it is stamped AC 16-4 729742010169 1631. I couldn't find #'s on the back of the moldboards. I can take some pictures of the plow tomorrow. Thanks in advance. Brad

Butch(OH) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lucerne Ohio Points: 3834	Post Options Post Reply Quote Butch(OH) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 Sep 2009 at 4:17am
	AC 16-4 is an Osmundson plow share number and it fits a #375 bottom.