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2011dandd 
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Posted: 02 Aug 2019 at 3:50am |
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Whilst checking everything for my other recent post yesterday.
I fully closed the fuel sediment bowl tap off and checking it this morning the carb is still dripping where I drained the fuel last night. Leading me to think that the tap does not fully close.
Also even if it’s open or closed it lets by and drips from the actual tap.
Are there any quick fixes for this? Or do I need to get a new (tap/bowl)
Cheers folks
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Dick L
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Posted: 02 Aug 2019 at 5:07am |
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Take it (all apart) and clean the shutoff. Take it out of the tank totally.
A new one might be in order but you will not know until you have all the pieces out where you can see there condition.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 02 Aug 2019 at 6:09am |
I'm thinking that the 'seat' ( the area where the needle vavle is supposed to seal) has been worn over the years, probably from 'reefing up' on it to seal, when really it should be baby finger tight. You could tear is all apart and take a very small,fine needle file and 'dress' ( lightly stroke ) the seat area. Also do the brass needle valve . A brand new uni may not be any better ! I bought one for D-14 #3 and it dribbled...had to 'dress' it up to fix......
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2011dandd
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Posted: 02 Aug 2019 at 8:07am |
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Cheers guys always very helpful
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Stan IL&TN
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Posted: 02 Aug 2019 at 10:40am |
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On my one-seventy you have to be a contortionist to get your hand to the sediment bowl to turn off the gas. What I did was cut the metal line in a convenient spot that is easily reached and installed a $3 plastic inline fuel shutoff valve used on lawn mowers. A short piece of flex tubing connects the metal line to the valve.
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DaveSB
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Posted: 03 Aug 2019 at 4:31am |
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This is the reason why I have started pitching all the settlement bulbs and installing a good metal ball valve and a good quality free flow fuel filter. I’ve heard others complain about this, but I just got tired of messing wit those bowls so they work right, for a few months, then have to do it again. I’ve tried several new brands of shut off valves, because I actually do like the original look, but most new ones it seems are no better than the 60 year old one that just came off.
Been running the metal ball valves and good filter for over 30 years now and haven’t had any such problems since, and yes all my tractors get used quite a bit
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mdm1
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Posted: 03 Aug 2019 at 5:14am |
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Dave would you telling us what brand of filter and the ball valve you are using?
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Posted: 03 Aug 2019 at 7:03am |
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Dick L
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Posted: 03 Aug 2019 at 7:04am |
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I would never not use a sediment bowl just because of water. Condensation will collect in the bottom of the bowl without causing a problem. If the bowl gets full of water and stops the engine you can detect the problem with a glance. The ten years I drug my pulling tractors up and down the bumpy roads I put in inline filters and gas shut offs to some to catch any thing that might get thru and keep the gas from draining out in route.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2019 at 8:24am |
 Dick L wrote:
I would never not use a sediment bowl just because of water. Condensation will collect in the bottom of the bowl without causing a problem. If the bowl gets full of water and stops the engine you can detect the problem with a glance. The ten years I drug my pulling tractors up and down the bumpy roads I put in inline filters and gas shut offs to some to catch any thing that might get thru and keep the gas from draining out in route. |
I agree 100%. There is nothing like a sediment bowl to deliver clean water free fuel to your engine.
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LouSWPA
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Posted: 03 Aug 2019 at 8:43am |
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even with a sediment bowl, I put good inline filters on. with the tanks getting older and getting flaky inside I don't think the sediment bowl does a good job of catching all the crap. I agree, the sediment bowls available today do seem to be problematic, quality wise.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2019 at 9:00am |
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I bought a brass ball valve like you use on house plumbing and installed with an inline filter.. I don't have a sediment bowl, but I have a TEE under the tank with a 3 inch nipple sticking straight down with a cap on it as a drip leg for rust / water. The TEE horizontal run goes to the brass valve, then filter, then carb. .......... this on a CASE Loader.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2019 at 10:08am |
LouSWPA wrote:
even with a sediment bowl, I put good inline filters on. with the tanks getting older and getting flaky inside I don't think the sediment bowl does a good job of catching all the crap. I agree, the sediment bowls available today do seem to be problematic, quality wise. |
Get the tanks cleaned and/or lined and you won't have any problems. Sediment bowl is still better than inline filters in my opinion. Heavy flakes from the tank will settle in the bottom of the bowl. Gas going to the carb is always drawn off the top where there is no junk. So that entire bowl would have to be completely full of crap before you have any problems with the engine running. Any person who lets that happen is neglecting their maintenance. With an inline filter, flakes will gradually plug the media and restrict fuel flow to the point that the engine will no longer run. At that point, you have to buy a new filter. That is my 2 cents.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2019 at 11:42am |
steve(ill) wrote:
I bought a brass ball valve like you use on house plumbing and installed with an inline filter.. I don't have a sediment bowl, but I have a TEE under the tank with a 3 inch nipple sticking straight down with a cap on it as a drip leg for rust / water. The TEE horizontal run goes to the brass valve, then filter, then carb. .......... this on a CASE Loader. |
I did a similar thing to what Steve did but, I used a Y fitting so, that the gas had to go down past the the other side of the Y, then below the junction, a short nipple with a petcock, to drain on occasion. Both sides of the Y were 1/4 pipe and the junction 3/8 pipe. You can't see the sediment but, if you catch what you tap from it, it will show you what's in there.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2019 at 12:14pm |
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It’s been a useful thread. Normally I’m asking moronic questions but this one seems to be something we all suffer with an old petrol tractor
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Posted: 03 Aug 2019 at 3:54pm |
2011Dandee, You are getting advice from some of the FINEST MECHANICS I HAVE NEVER MET. You are very fortunate. Glad to see you are taking such good care of my favorite Good Luck! Bill Long
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Posted: 03 Aug 2019 at 5:33pm |
I for one still use the glass sediment bowl. Having lived with and seen leaky ones at the gaskets, I still used them. I just took the one off my WD45 the other day and removed the dirt/rust from the glass bowl. I have seen water accumulate in them too as mentioned. Yes if they leak they are a pain. Any valve could have the same issues. We used to religiously shut the gas off on these WD series tractors. They would sometimes flood the carb and drain the gas tank over night. No right or wrong answer here. Old technology will still work if maintained. New filters and shut offs will work too. Keep hittin' at it! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 03 Aug 2019 at 6:07pm |
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I am thinking the screen being too large may be the problem I have with one of my B's. Also has anyone coated the cork gasket with soap based grease? (I read about that from some other forums)
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