Allis Chalmers fuel cell prototype 1959

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   Any of you fellers see this rascal?
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LarryWC In Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Terre Haute, In Points: 257	Post Options Post Reply Quote LarryWC In Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Allis Chalmers fuel cell prototype 1959 Posted: 15 Sep 2009 at 2:04pm
	Any of you fellers see this rascal? http://historywired.si.edu/object.cfm?ID=223
	www.allischalmersmuseum.com

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Dusty MI Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Charlotte, Mi Points: 5056	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dusty MI Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Sep 2009 at 6:48pm
	Yes it was at Michigan State Collage/University's Farmers Week in about 1959. Along with a film strip of it plowing. Dusty

JoeO(CMO) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Cent Missouri Points: 2694	Post Options Post Reply Quote JoeO(CMO) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Sep 2009 at 7:12pm
	I'm not sure where it is right now but it has been on display in Hutchison, MN at the museum in town, a side trip while attending the Upper Midwest Orange Sbbpectacular held in July every year and a very worthy item to take a good look at and let them take a picture of you on it.


LarryWC In Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Terre Haute, In Points: 257	Post Options Post Reply Quote LarryWC In Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Sep 2009 at 8:21pm
	That's so cool!,,here Allis Chalmers was STILL striving to be on the cutting edge of Ag technology and then look at it now,,,,:(
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Dwight from Orlando Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Orlando FL. Points: 59	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dwight from Orlando Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Sep 2009 at 8:58pm
	This was taken in July 2006

DreamGA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Elberton, GA Points: 64	Post Options Post Reply Quote DreamGA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Sep 2009 at 9:14pm
	If that thing had over 20 hp then, what could they get out of one with the technology they have now? Makes me wonder if the oil folks may have a little to do with things, but that's gettin off- topic. Amazing machine. Would like the chance to see it myself one day. Dream.
	I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me.

Brian Ahart Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Missouri Points: 372	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian Ahart Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Sep 2009 at 9:23pm
	Joe, that photo looks familiar. I'll have to dig mine out now from 2003 when you took a picture of me on that tractor.
	A-C Weight ID reference and other goodies at brianahart.net

Rfdeere Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Idaville, IN Points: 3283	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rfdeere Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Sep 2009 at 9:44pm
	I can't believe there allowing people to climb on and off a tractor that the Smitsonian Institution owns. I find that somewhat disrespecful. I wonder if the Smithsonian knows they do that?
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Coke-in-MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41556	Post Options Post Reply Quote Coke-in-MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 8:23am
	The technology of that tractor was also funded as part of Government energy program. It was later sold to GM and they went on with more research and development. When i was working for Buckbee Mears Co in St Paul we were making fuel cell plates from titanium for the new prototype units. The process and equipment to do the cell plates was sold to Tech-Etch in 2003. Plates we were making were about 12" X 18" and believe 250 plates to a unit. Were suppose to be aprox 100 HP if compaired to int-comb engine
	Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful."

LarryWC In Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Terre Haute, In Points: 257	Post Options Post Reply Quote LarryWC In Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 8:31am
	Coke-in-MN,,,thanks!,,very interesting!
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LloydCentWi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 300	Post Options Post Reply Quote LloydCentWi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 10:10am
	So who actually paid for making that tractor? Did allis pay for it, tax payers, someone else? How much did it cost to make? Was the information gained from making it used by Nasa or someone else and for what? Was there ever any intention on seeing if it was a viable agricultural tractor for mass production? I have an International book and it shows an experimental tractor they built in the 50's or 60's using a turbine engine, I think. It had a very streamlined looking hood. Kind of like the new New Holland tractors.

LarryWC In Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Terre Haute, In Points: 257	Post Options Post Reply Quote LarryWC In Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 10:29am
	Lloyd!!!!,,those VERY thoughts came to my mind,,,but I wasn't sure how to post them and not sound cynical!!! I'm SURE that by what Coke-in-MN said,,there was some gain to what was done there!,,and if so,,why not build on it?,,,maybe it wasn't a viable project,,,but if not?,,what was the end result? you have to wonder what was the truth behind that much effort!,,otherwise,,I would think the project would have never made it off the blueprints and research!!!
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Dusty MI Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Charlotte, Mi Points: 5056	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dusty MI Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 11:37am
	If my memory is right the US Government was behind it. That's why Allis Chalmers stoped at that point. Dusty

LarryWC In Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Terre Haute, In Points: 257	Post Options Post Reply Quote LarryWC In Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 11:48am
	Dusty,,,, Imagine that,,,,,,,
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Bill_MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Points: 1465	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill_MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 3:55pm
	The fuel cell tractor is still on display at the McLeod County Historical Society in Hutchinson. Larry Karg says the A-C Collectors Club donates a chunk of the profits from the Orange Spectacular to the museum to pay for keeping the tractor there. There is no indication it will be going anywhere at this time. I have also seen the tractor and it is simply amazing the technology they put into what is now a 50+ year old machine.