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Jim Blue
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Posted: 04 May 2010 at 2:48pm |
I am working on some electrical issues with my D-12. When you ground the Genny field terminal, I used the battery ground post, what voltage output should you measure at the arm terminal? The tractor has the original positive ground 6 volt system.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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When you ground the "F" terminal with the engine running 1/2 throttle or more, the voltage should climb past 7v. You can test the generator without removing it from the tractor. Remove the belt and with a piece of heavy wire connected to the NEG or hot side of the battery, the generator should spin like a motor. While motoring, ground the F terminal. The gen should slow down, but continue to spin. If all that happens, the gen is ok. Then it's a matter of testing the wires between the regulator. I use a headlight bulb for this test. If each wire can flow enough current to light the headlight, they're ok. If the wires all check out, replace the regulator. |
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Jim Blue
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With the Field terminal grounded the genny output climbs well past 7v. I get around 14 volts at idle and around 35 at full throtle. I had the genny serviced and the electric shop said it tested well and they checked the VR for output at 7v. Before the genny was serviced I was getting about 1/3 of a volt with the Field terminal grounded. However with the Field and Arm terminals connected I get about 2v at the Arm terminal at full throtle and the same reading at the Gen connection of the VR. I judge the wires to be good if I cam duplicate the output reading with the meter. So I think the VR needs to be replaced because it is not supplying adequate ground to the genny.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Before you replace the regulator, verify that the BATT terminal on the regulator has a good connection to the hot side of the battery, also remove any rust from the mounting tabs on the regulator to the tractor. Wires can complete the circuit, but if only a strand or two are intact, it can't carry the current for the system to work. That's the reason for load testing each wire with the head light bulb. You may have a faulty regulator, but you may also have a faulty wire. The load test will confirm the wire, the motor test will confirm the generator's condition. If the wire and generator pass each test, then you can be certain you are replacing a failed part. |
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Jacob (WI,ND)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Kenmare, ND Points: 1247 |
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OK, I want to clarify this. First you unhook belt. Then hook heavy wire from NEG or hot side of battery to (what)? Do you just touch it, or hold it there? Then while still hooked up as mentioned above, ground the F terminal (to where? battery post? any ground on tractor?) Then generator should slow down, etc... If it does Generator is ok. And which wires exactly on the regulator are to be tested with the headlight? From what to what? I'll eventually have use for this test, but want to make sure I am understanding it correctly, and do it right. I'd hate to blow myself up or something. Thanks for the help and information!
Edited by Jacob (WI,ND) - 04 May 2010 at 9:07pm |
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Jacob Swanson
1920 6-12; 1925,1926 20-35 longfenders; 1925,1926 15-25's; 1927,1929 20-35 shortfenders; C; B's; IB; WC's; WD; WD45 |
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Jacob, in 80 some years a tractor could be either pos ground or neg ground. The starter does not care about battery polarity, only the generator. When you get to the motor test on the generator, you are also polarizing (telling it which pole is ground) the generator. I recommend testing all wires with the head light bulb. Remember, in all those years it's likely to be spliced and broken, generally in bad shape. Unhook both ends of each wire and then put each wire individually in a circuit with the headlight bulb. The reasoning is if each wire can carry enough current to light the bulb, the wire will work for the generator. Remember, voltage and current are like water pressure and gallons per minute. A small hose (thin wire) flows fewer gallons per minute (amps) tha a large one. Having something like all of the strands in a wire broken except for one is like kinking the hose. Less current flow less water flow. A volt/ohm meter would be like a pressure gauge. Since a very tiny amount of current flows through an ohm meter, you would see a complete circuit with little resistance. What will get you is when the amperage needed to operate the load in the circuit (headlight bulb) can't get through the single strand of wire.
The motor test for a generator is done with the belt removed. On your WC, WD or any tractor with only a cutout relay and no regulator you can test the "ARM" armature wires by jumping across the cutout relay. If the generator spins fast, you just tested and passed all of the wires and amp gauge on the charging side of the system. While you have the generator motoring, ground the "F" field terminal. The generator should continue to spin, but it should slow down. Now use the F wire for the ground side of the headlight bulb and pull the light switch out all the way for high charge. If the light bulb works, you know the wire is good and the high charge side of the switch is good. Push the switch all the way in and the bulb should dim, but not go out.
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Thanks Brian! You have just succeeded in explaining electrical terms to me in a way that no one has been able to thus far! Comparing it to water makes sense to me, and no one has ever made that analogy before. I wish I would have heard this years ago, electrical class probably would have made much more sense. And I think I understand the tests now. I'll have to experiment next time I get home, to see if my parts generator is any good. Thanks again!
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Jacob Swanson
1920 6-12; 1925,1926 20-35 longfenders; 1925,1926 15-25's; 1927,1929 20-35 shortfenders; C; B's; IB; WC's; WD; WD45 |
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Glad I could help. Just remember to take it one step at a time.
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