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G230 gas combine engine governor?

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    Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 11:06pm
Putting this g230 in a d17 diesel chases, all going well and down to the governor, I know the combine engine's are pretty much governed to run wide open but what I don't know, is it the governor itself or the linkage or both also will I need a different carburetor? Thanks for any help.
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To work properly you should find a governor from a D-19 gas. Very hard to find.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 7:20am
External linkage is the issue and a D-19 tractor is the only place to get the correct linkage. Internally the governor will work as-is. There could be some Cockshutt parts that could be made work ??

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cockshutt  30 40 , co-op e3, e4  gov can be used also
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Thanks guys, called local guy had a few governors, he also had a few carbs would there be any advantage to the d19 carb over the one that come on the g230.
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Use more gas and have more power too.
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Another question, had engine running good without the fuel pump when in the stand from combine but not sure once its under load, do you think I will need the fuel pump when its in the tractor, I'm using the carb that was on it which I believe its a tsx821.
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I'd imagine it will be just fine until you hook onto a plow. It will pull fine for about 20 or 30 seconds and then run out of gas.
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Originally posted by Gary in da UP Gary in da UP wrote:

cockshutt  30 40 , co-op e3, e4  gov can be used also

They will work good but he'd have to use the Cockshutt front plates which means pulling the cam shaft.I've done it on a couple WD45 diesels but with the D17 don't know how he'd get the front end on it.
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Thanks for everyone's help so far, got the d19 governor already, got tractor tore down for new seal's and brake's and a look at everything inside, so everything is kind of on hold until new seals and a few clutch parts show up.
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If it was mine I would use the carb you have. If you don't like the way it runs then you can always put on a different one. 
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Yup that's the plan Pete, it ran like a top so going to try to keep it that way.
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Been making some progress on the tractor and one thing I noticed is the combine governor had 4 weights on it and the d19 one has 2, Was just wondering what difference the two make if any?
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If you have D-19 governor linkage, you better use the D-19 governor weights. Get the link rod from the carb to the governor cross arm adjusted correctly for length or you'll be back here complaining things don't work right.
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Haven't got that far yet for all the linkage adjustments yet, was just curious why there was a difference.
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Engineers design governors to operate at different speeds and different droop RPM ranges. The tractor governor is designed for variable speed operation and the combine is not. 
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Did You finish the project? Any pictures? I picked one up that someone else put a 262 in but the throttle linkage was wrong and jammed in behind the distributor. Not sure which governor is in it either.
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Originally posted by DrAllis DrAllis wrote:

Engineers design governors to operate at different speeds and different droop RPM ranges. The tractor governor is designed for variable speed operation and the combine is not. 


This is EXACTLY the case... and most guys don't understand.

The combine isn't a multi-purpose draft machine, it's a specific purpose application, where there is a half-dozen or more mechanisms that need motive power from that engine, and those mechanisms don't work properly at anything BUT their designed speed.

There is a substantial difference between a 'fixed speed' governor, and a 'variable speed' governor.  A synchronous generator is another application with 'fixed speed'... it will not work properly in a tractor, because it's designed around synchronous speed operation.

In same way, most people misinterpret horsepower ratings between combine and tractor engines, in essentially the same way.  A tractor's horsepower is defined by either PTO, belt, or drawbar horsepower, which includes all static losses that exist inside the machine like driveline friction, hydraulic pump, etc.  A combine engine includes NO static losses... just the amount of horsepower which is available at the flywheel, and that's a fair chunk LESS loss than a tractor exhibits.  In reality, the actual output will be essentially the same, with exception that the combine's 'power unit' will not want to run at anything other than idle, or governed run speed.
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