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Front crank dampener for a 8070 |
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CrestonM
Orange Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8391 |
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I decided to give it a try, so I purchased a Vibratech dampener for a Detroit 71 series. As far as I can tell, it's a perfect match. Attached are a couple photos of the old and new, plus one photo of the old one cut open in case anyone was wondering how much space there is between the inner ring and the outside. Not much room for fluid, but then again, this isn't exactly fluid any longer.
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DrAllis
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 20580 |
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Now, you can see why we've always been told to handle with care !! There cannot be any dents or physical damage of any kind to the outer shell or the damper is junk because the donut cannot float inside the silicone filled shell.
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SteveM C/IL
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Share the part number please.....
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CrestonM
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Here is the link to the website I ordered it from:
https://klmperformance.com/products/detroit-diesel-series-71-crankshaft-damper |
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CrestonM
Orange Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8391 |
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Got it painted yesterday, and installed tonight. What a difference! Before I could run at 1/2 throttle or above and the top of the exhaust stack would vibrate what seemed like 1/8” side to side from center, although that’s just a guess and it may not have been that exact. After installing this new dampener, I ran it all the way to full throttle and I couldn’t tell any movement in the exhaust pipe now. I’ll note that I don’t have any other warning signs of a bad dampener like broken alternator or A/C compressor brackets. I just did this as a preventive measure given that I’m sure the old one was original with the yellow primer and maroon paint on it, and I’m glad I did it.
Edited by CrestonM - 14 Sep 2023 at 8:34pm |
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DrAllis
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If the one you cut apart didn't have any gel like goo inside of it, it was BAD !!!
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CrestonM
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You are correct, it did not have any gel-like fluid left. But I wouldn’t have known had I not cut it open, so it would’ve been rendered bad at that point, too, regardless. Just glad I did it. A lot cheaper than a broken crankshaft.
Also the actual part number for those who asked is Vibratech viscous damper 713398-000. Edited by CrestonM - 15 Sep 2023 at 2:59pm |
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DrAllis
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The only two I've ever had to diagnose had an awful rattling noise in the timing gears at 2500 to 2550 RPM's. How many $$$$ did the VibraTech one set you back ??
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injpumpEd
Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 4921 |
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price on the link says 498
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Mikez
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I would think any originals are no good and should be replaced
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8070nc
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I started this threadbecause ive got a 8070 that I thought I i had rod knock in. Pulled the pan to checj the bearings. They looked new. After much talking to different people I figured out it must be the damper. Bought a new old stock damper and installed it. Its better but not right
Im going to get a new vibratech damper and put on it |
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BrianC
Orange Level Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Location: New York Points: 1619 |
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Interesting device. Tighter fit than imagined. What we (the Allis Community) need is a database of alternative parts. Can't expect each dealer or vendor to know it all. Could expect AGCO to do it, but they may be scared for liability issues.
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orangereborn
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: NW WI Points: 1442 |
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The consistency of the silicone originally would have been about like 30 weight oil....Dale
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SteveM C/IL
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I got a NOS one 2 yrs ago from AGCO. $1400 and you know it's old. Wonder if silicone goes bad with time or use? For the money it might be smart to buy one from Vibratech.
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8070nc
Orange Level Access Joined: 21 Mar 2019 Location: North Carolina Points: 506 |
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Its cheap insurance
Better than losing a counterbalanced crank I dont thimk a good one would be that easy to find |
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NEVER green
Orange Level Access Joined: 28 Feb 2013 Location: MN. Points: 7528 |
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Keep in touch if it helps!
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2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50
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DrAllis
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The silicone definitely goes bad over time with use. Some engine manufacturers (Cat, Detroit, etc) even say to replace them at Ohaul time or at a certain hour interval because of that possibility. Go bad over 20 years of sitting on a shelf ?? Can't answer that.
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BrianC
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8070nc
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Itll probably be a month or so before i get the new damper but ill surely post the results
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1957 D14 DES 300 with 25000 engine 616 tractor |
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MACK
Orange Level Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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Had one go bad on pulling tractor. Didn't take long to shake flywheel bolts loose. MACK
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Kevin in WA
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I put a new Vibratech one on last spring and it fit perfectly and runs nice.
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8070nc
Orange Level Access Joined: 21 Mar 2019 Location: North Carolina Points: 506 |
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I just put a new vibratech on my 8070 and it made a big difference. It would flutter about 1800 but it doesnt do that now
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SteveM C/IL
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I purchased 2 of these and replaced on both 8070's. Exact fit/replacement. So yes! The 4-71 Detroit balancer is what you need for your Allis. I've at least got peace of mind. Someday I'll cut open the old ones to see how they were...even the $1400 NOS AGCO one! I won't use it and wouldn't expect anyone to buy it. Will be interesting to see what father time did or didn't do to It.
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cowkicker
Orange Level Access Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Location: Ky Points: 507 |
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okay. I need one for my 8070. Do I just go to KLM and order the Detroit Diesel 71 series damper like the Vibratech one shown in the picture? Thanks
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8070nc
Orange Level Access Joined: 21 Mar 2019 Location: North Carolina Points: 506 |
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I called vibratec and they gave me the name of a local dealer. He ordered it. It was around 650.00. Fit perfectly. Itvwas for a 4-71 or 6-71 detroit
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1957 D14 DES 300 with 25000 engine 616 tractor |
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8070nc
Orange Level Access Joined: 21 Mar 2019 Location: North Carolina Points: 506 |
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The part number is in this thread somewhere
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8070nc
Orange Level Access Joined: 21 Mar 2019 Location: North Carolina Points: 506 |
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P.S. They were very helpful at vibratec
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cowkicker
Orange Level Access Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Location: Ky Points: 507 |
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D0 you happen to still have the vibratech #. was it 713398-000?
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8070nc
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Yes
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cowkicker
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Great. gonna order one! Thanks for the help
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