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    Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 9:48am
Got my new to me Freeman model 90 loader home yesterday. 
She bolts right up.  The hyd cyl are 2" and I have only found
seal kits for the smaller cyl.  Anyone have part #'s for the 2" cyl?
I will have to fabricate the rear brackets.  The ones that came with it are for a WD45.


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The rods are 2"?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 12:26pm

That loader side frame in your picture is not from a Model 90.

Model 90 is for a WD or WD-45 and are tubular.

What you have appears to be the correct side frame for a D-14, and would be a Model 140.

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Hmmm, the data plate says otherwise.  The WD90 was a tube frame
but this is just a model 90.




Originally posted by Gary Gary wrote:

That loader side frame in your picture is not from a Model 90.

Model 90 is for a WD or WD-45 and are tubular.

What you have appears to be the correct side frame for a D-14, and would be a Model 140.

Gary


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Yes the pistons are 2"


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The rods are 2"?
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Craig,
I have mounting brackets that might work for your loader.
However, they came from a Freeman loader mounted to a D17.

What size is the lower horizontal rectangular tube ?

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Originally posted by Gatz in NE Gatz in NE wrote:

Craig,
I have mounting brackets that might work for your loader.
However, they came from a Freeman loader mounted to a D17.

What size is the lower horizontal rectangular tube ?



These are 5.5x2.5 inches
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That loader boom would originally been part of a complete loader package meant to be installed on a WD or WD-45. Thus the ID of Model 90.

It's predecessor was the Model 9.   There was no loader identified as WD90.

CA's had a Model 9, D-14 had Model 14, then Model 140. D-15 Model 15, then 150.

Gary

BTW WD, D-15, and D-17 used the same Boom.
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Originally posted by CraiginMO CraiginMO wrote:

Originally posted by Gatz in NE Gatz in NE wrote:

Craig,
I have mounting brackets that might work for your loader.
However, they came from a Freeman loader mounted to a D17.

What size is the lower horizontal rectangular tube ?



These are 5.5x2.5 inches


hmmm, that's odd
The brackets that came off the D17 have a 2 3/4 x 5 1/4 opening which would be ample clearance for 2 1/2 x 5" tubing.
Are you sure about the 5.5 dimension?  2 1/2 x 5 1/2 is kinda odd size tubing too.


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   Original Factory Allis Loader Manuals on Ebay:

CA Model 8 and WD Model 9

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154451694028?hash=item23f609d1cc:g:FSQAAOSwXwhgnUC0

D-14 Model 14, and D-17 Model 17

https://www.ebay.com/itm/393171069883?hash=item5b8ad26bbb:g:hv4AAOSwdRdgQCRe

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I checked again.  Those are correct.  No problem I think there are 2 mounting hole in the axle under the fender that are free to use.


Originally posted by Gatz in NE Gatz in NE wrote:

Originally posted by CraiginMO CraiginMO wrote:

Originally posted by Gatz in NE Gatz in NE wrote:

Craig,
I have mounting brackets that might work for your loader.
However, they came from a Freeman loader mounted to a D17.

What size is the lower horizontal rectangular tube ?



These are 5.5x2.5 inches


hmmm, that's odd
The brackets that came off the D17 have a 2 3/4 x 5 1/4 opening which would be ample clearance for 2 1/2 x 5" tubing.
Are you sure about the 5.5 dimension?  2 1/2 x 5 1/2 is kinda odd size tubing too.
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Ok I was a little off.  I was measuring the bracket opening and not the tube.  The tube is 2.5 x 5.25. 


Originally posted by Gatz in NE Gatz in NE wrote:

Originally posted by CraiginMO CraiginMO wrote:

Originally posted by Gatz in NE Gatz in NE wrote:

Craig,
I have mounting brackets that might work for your loader.
However, they came from a Freeman loader mounted to a D17.

What size is the lower horizontal rectangular tube ?



These are 5.5x2.5 inches


hmmm, that's odd
The brackets that came off the D17 have a 2 3/4 x 5 1/4 opening which would be ample clearance for 2 1/2 x 5" tubing.
Are you sure about the 5.5 dimension?  2 1/2 x 5 1/2 is kinda odd size tubing too.
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On my D14 the rear mounting bracket goes on two mounts cast on the read of the axle.  They are bent at the mounting end at 90*, probably a little over an inch.  there are two bolt holes on either side.  Since those holes are vertical, it took me quite a while getting the dirt out of them.  My loader has a round tube frame, but I would suspect yours would mount the  same way.

From your picture I see you have a more pressing issue than mounting the loader!LOL
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Yup same holes here.  That is what I will use.  The head was original.  Once off it was obvious it needed a complete valve job.  $500 later and I am ready to reinstall

Originally posted by john(MI) john(MI) wrote:

On my D14 the rear mounting bracket goes on two mounts cast on the read of the axle.  They are bent at the mounting end at 90*, probably a little over an inch.  there are two bolt holes on either side.  Since those holes are vertical, it took me quite a while getting the dirt out of them.  My loader has a round tube frame, but I would suspect yours would mount the  same way.

From your picture I see you have a more pressing issue than mounting the loader!LOL
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SO I finally ID my 2 inch piston cylinders with my local dealers help.  The loader is a model 90 but the cylinders are from a model 170.  AGCO cannot help with seals but I found them online at Sealsales.com  If you need them they are as all sold EACH. so you need 2x VR2000X2500FF females, 2x VR2000X2500MF males and 6x VR2000X2500VF packings to do both cylinders
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think we have some nos packings
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Originally posted by Mikez Mikez wrote:

think we have some nos packings

part # should be 2000501/2000502 --> 2000652
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