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DrAllis 
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Posted: 01 Jul 2013 at 6:23pm |
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High idle/no-load is the typical figure ALL places go by and that is 1700 RPM's high idle/no-load, you sitting in the seat with the throttle clear down as far as it will go. 1700 RPM high idle/no-load is for a WD and WD45. While you're sitting on the seat with the hand throttle lever clear open, when the PTO dyno you are connected to lugs/pulls the engine down to 1400 RPM (while you still have the hand throttle set wide open) they measure the HP/torque of the tractor. 1400 RPM is where the carb butterfly is clear open maximum AND A-C has chosen to measure the performance at. On an A-C this rated speed RPM number is usually(not always) 535 to 540 PTO RPM.
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Charlie175
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Posted: 01 Jul 2013 at 3:59pm |
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A WD45 runs 1700 RPM wide open no-load.....20% over that is 2,040 RPM. A model D17 stock governor spring will get you 2,000 RPM with a PROPERLY ADJUSTED governor. Sounds pretty simple to me. Both tractors use the same governor weights. I don't know how many more times I need to post this info. |
High Idle is the typical figure most places I see go by and that would be 1400 rpms. 1680 would be his adjust rating, correct?
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Posted: 23 Jun 2013 at 12:33pm |
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Ohh took you a few days to fabricate that one. What's the matter getting rusty
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Posted: 23 Jun 2013 at 7:02am |
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Newcomer. Doesn't understand stock appearance. Let me give a story as a example. We did a dirt track engine in a class. Had to have a spec intake and heads from brodix a flat tappet cam a flat top piston and a specific head gasket. We intentionally ran the fat top piston above deck for a compression advantage. That motor won four saturday features before being protested by Raeford a engine builder from NC. We got torn down Raeford said these pistons are above deck we said show us in the rule book where a dimension is giving. .for piston deck height . We dominated the rest of the season next season the dimensions were in the rule book so piston couldn't come above the deck.
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blue924.9
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Posted: 20 Jun 2013 at 10:54pm |
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I am pretty sure the rule book says you have to have a governor that works. It does in every one I have seen
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Posted: 20 Jun 2013 at 8:09pm |
I like that Dick. 1st rule to motor sports is have the rule book read thoroughly . 2cnd rule in motor sports is use the rule book on what it specifically says and more on what it doesn't specify to your advantage. Harry Hyde nascar legend said always stay in the grey area of the rule book .
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Posted: 20 Jun 2013 at 6:31pm |
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If you have not bored and stroked along with a cam grind then anything you do with increasing RPM's only helps as long as you can maintain those RPM's. I would recommend what DrAllis said and go with the 2000 RPM's to see what happens.
I don't like to cheat and I don't like to be cheated. However I would much rather cheat than be cheated.
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Posted: 20 Jun 2013 at 11:45am |
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Simple solution pank goes, everyone else but him goes,or he puts on his big boy pants and shuts up, realizing he is spilling complete crap or telling others to cheat in this case putting other people besides his own stupid self in danger. And that's putting it nicely. Petition to the moderator anyone?
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Posted: 20 Jun 2013 at 11:40am |
I have got my info! and hate that everyone has to high jack a post bec planky has posted his usless knowlage
Ihateillinoisnazis wrote:
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OK ENOUGH IS ENOUGH STOP POSTING ON MY TREAD ABOUT PLANKY I COULD CARE LESS I AM HERE TO LEARN! !!!!!!!! |
YOU WANNA YELL, I CAN TOO!!! READ DRALLIS'S POST!!!!! IT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED. UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO ON YOUR OWN AND TAKE THE GOOD ADVISE OF THE SPUNKSTER.
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Posted: 20 Jun 2013 at 8:03am |
firephight wrote:
OK ENOUGH IS ENOUGH STOP POSTING ON MY TREAD ABOUT PLANKY I COULD CARE LESS I AM HERE TO LEARN! !!!!!!!! |
YOU WANNA YELL, I CAN TOO!!! READ DRALLIS'S POST!!!!! IT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED. UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO ON YOUR OWN AND TAKE THE GOOD ADVISE OF THE SPUNKSTER. Had enough with the ALL CAPS yet???
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Posted: 20 Jun 2013 at 7:25am |
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OK ENOUGH IS ENOUGH STOP POSTING ON MY TREAD ABOUT PLANKY I COULD CARE LESS I AM HERE TO LEARN! !!!!!!!!
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THE-MAN
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 9:24pm |
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I do not build anything that can not be blown up |
Hes telling the truth folks. He does not build anything. Hes also saying his stuff can be blown up. We find these truths to be self evident...
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 7:06pm |
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I have never pulled anywhere that did not have a rule that requires a functioning governor. I have seen guys with bush league devices to override the governor, but have never seen this chicke sh#^ approach work better than a properly adjusted and functioning governor. Kip
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 6:38pm |
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I don't do engines for others cause I can be a big boy and admit that I can't do it I don't go blow other people's stuff up. Also I have zero wins and zero loses, but its still a better record than you have
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 6:29pm |
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thats others posting stuff to make the inexperienced believe that so they can take your money by eliminating me as a consideration to do work for you . I do not build anything that can not be blown up by anyone. I have two builds in shop for others now and working on a price for a complete engine from carb to oil pan for another this week. 423-472-0896 shop or cell 423 242 8596 .If you call shop ask for Mitch or Ed . If you call cell you get me directly. when did you start pulling? You've been asking a lot of newb questions even posted that. How many engines have you done for others?
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 6:24pm |
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yeah there is its Winner. Winners always have a advantage |
winners should be intelligent enough to find a way to win without cheating. Besides how many losses do you have in pulling, I have Zero
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 6:22pm |
mlpankey wrote:
yeah there is its Winner. Winners always have a advantage |
You are truly a piece of  , if you win so much how come there are always pics of your motor in pieces in a bucket or in an oil pan
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 6:19pm |
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yeah there is its Winner. Winners always have a advantage
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 6:16pm |
mlpankey wrote:
Fields wrote:
mlpankey wrote:
Take the weights off throw them as far as you can. Turn a piece of aluminum with a step to hold the spring from a rocker shaft drill the center to slide over gov. shaft cut spring to length with other end against the side of pilot bearing the weights were against. Then its a matter of how far you pull the throttle and the size of carb. That will dictate rpms |
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And then BOOM. |
make sure rev limiter in msd works . tell all the wise guys theirs may go boom but mine still drive on the trailer no booms. It was the weights blowing apart that put it on the trailer. remove the weights and you do not have to worry with them coming apart . If you pull against andy , butch, if you do it as posted above they will never catch that it doesn't have a gov. as long as you do your part with throttle. |
There isn't a word for a guy like you..... Jeez I hope you shrivel up in a ball of waste when you blow up a motor because it doesn't have a safety device called a governor and you hurt someone. This is assuming one of your motors can even make it far enough to hook to the sled
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 6:15pm |
mlpankey wrote:
Fields wrote:
mlpankey wrote:
Take the weights off throw them as far as you can. Turn a piece of aluminum with a step to hold the spring from a rocker shaft drill the center to slide over gov. shaft cut spring to length with other end against the side of pilot bearing the weights were against. Then its a matter of how far you pull the throttle and the size of carb. That will dictate rpms |
And then BOOM. |
make sure rev limiter in msd works . tell all the wise guys theirs may go boom but mine still drive on the trailer no booms. It was the weights blowing apart that put it on the trailer. remove the weights and you do not have to worry with them coming apart . If you pull against andy , butch, if you do it as posted above they will never catch that it doesn't have a gov. as long as you do your part with throttle. |
So now you are telling him to cheat     you have truly stooped to new lows
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 5:36pm |
Fields wrote:
mlpankey wrote:
Take the weights off throw them as far as you can. Turn a piece of aluminum with a step to hold the spring from a rocker shaft drill the center to slide over gov. shaft cut spring to length with other end against the side of pilot bearing the weights were against. Then its a matter of how far you pull the throttle and the size of carb. That will dictate rpms |
And then BOOM. |
make sure rev limiter in msd works . tell all the wise guys theirs may go boom but mine still drive on the trailer no booms. It was the weights blowing apart that put it on the trailer. remove the weights and you do not have to worry with them coming apart . If you pull against andy , butch, if you do it as posted above they will never catch that it doesn't have a gov. as long as you do your part with throttle.
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 8:23am |
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Can't we get through 1 thread without this?
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 8:08am |
On second thought, It mighta just made a fart noise.. 
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 8:06am |
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I think it was more like "bang" cause no one ever saw it run long enough to decide if it had enough power to go "KA BOOM".. Just bad cobbleing.
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 8:06am |
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Viola! Pistons removed from the bottom!
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 7:53am |
Fields wrote:
And then BOOM. |
I think it was KA-BOOM
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 7:43am |
mlpankey wrote:
Take the weights off throw them as far as you can. Turn a pice of aluminum with a step to hold the spring from a rocker shaft drill the center to slide over gov. shaft cut spring to length with other end against the side of pilot bearing the weights were against. Then its a matter of how far you pull the throttle and the size of carb. That will dictate rpms |
And then BOOM.
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 5:59am |
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Take the weights off throw them as far as you can. Turn a pice of aluminum with a step to hold the spring from a rocker shaft drill the center to slide over gov. shaft cut spring to length with other end against the side of pilot bearing the weights were against. Then its a matter of how far you pull the throttle and the size of carb. That will dictate rpms
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Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 5:54am |
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Gleaner "E" is around 1800-1850 RPM and does not have an idle plunger. Each tractor engine is capable of a high idle stop screw located on top of the governor front cover. If your engine doesn't have one, the cover can be drilled/tapped for one. This just allows you to limit the top speed so you don't go over an assigned RPM.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2013 at 9:29pm |
DrAllis wrote:
A WD45 runs 1700 RPM wide open no-load.....20% over that is 2,040 RPM. A model D17 stock governor spring will get you 2,000 RPM with a PROPERLY ADJUSTED governor. Sounds pretty simple to me. Both tractors use the same governor weights. I don't know how many more times I need to post this info. |
I knew that the D17 spring was more just didnt know if there was and way you could adjust the spring where they mount or change the weights with a diffrent govener. Ok if the wd is 1700 and the D17 is 2000 what is the gleaner E spring?
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