D17IV/170/180 3ph Drawbar Question

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   Hey everyone, thanks for all of the collective help I've gotten in getting a factory 3ph from a salvaged 180 onto my late model D17 IV.  The 3ph assembly bolted on perfectly. 

Unfortunately, I did not get the factory 3ph drawbar when I picked up the other parts from the salvage yard.  They had it available, but I wasn't sure what else I would need to change to mount it on my IV.  It was a long, straight thing - not bolted up, and it didn't appear to have a SnapCoupler loop on the front. 

I have been unable to see the parts drawings on the AGCO website.  I basically need to swap out the Snap Coupler housing, held by 6 large bolts, to whatever assembly would bolt onto the IV to accept the drawbar.  The salvage yard is quite a ways away, and I won't have time to just drive out there and look at the actual 180 donor.  

So the short question is - is there a housing on the 180 that I can have them pull, that would bolt onto my IV to  accept the 3 ph straight drawbar?  Do I have to do any further internal modifications to my IV to change out the SnapCoupler housing?  

I have to say, the factory 3ph brackets and assembly seem to be built like a bulldog.  They didn't have the sway blocks, but I will keep looking for a set of those.  Meanwhile, I am thinking some tough old oak hunks should do the trick, at least for a while. 

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rhartwick Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 10 Apr 2011 Location: NY Points: 41	Post Options Post Reply Quote rhartwick Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: D17IV/170/180 3ph Drawbar Question Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 3:40pm
	Hey everyone, thanks for all of the collective help I've gotten in getting a factory 3ph from a salvaged 180 onto my late model D17 IV. The 3ph assembly bolted on perfectly. Unfortunately, I did not get the factory 3ph drawbar when I picked up the other parts from the salvage yard. They had it available, but I wasn't sure what else I would need to change to mount it on my IV. It was a long, straight thing - not bolted up, and it didn't appear to have a SnapCoupler loop on the front. I have been unable to see the parts drawings on the AGCO website. I basically need to swap out the Snap Coupler housing, held by 6 large bolts, to whatever assembly would bolt onto the IV to accept the drawbar. The salvage yard is quite a ways away, and I won't have time to just drive out there and look at the actual 180 donor. So the short question is - is there a housing on the 180 that I can have them pull, that would bolt onto my IV to accept the 3 ph straight drawbar? Do I have to do any further internal modifications to my IV to change out the SnapCoupler housing? I have to say, the factory 3ph brackets and assembly seem to be built like a bulldog. They didn't have the sway blocks, but I will keep looking for a set of those. Meanwhile, I am thinking some tough old oak hunks should do the trick, at least for a while.

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DMiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 32543	Post Options Post Reply Quote DMiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 4:15pm
	This is the connective point on my 180, old picture and doesn't show the whole mount sorry.

DMiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 32543	Post Options Post Reply Quote DMiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 4:16pm
	You may be able to weld up a similar bracket to replace the SC eye assembly.

Skyhighballoon(MO) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Pilot Grove, MO Points: 3115	Post Options Post Reply Quote Skyhighballoon(MO) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 4:21pm
	I don't have a good picture of my 180 to show this. The drawbar is not straight, it has an "upward" dogleg going from rear to front. There is a bracket that bolts up near where the SC bell used to be that the front of the drawbar slides through. There is a pin that goes through the drawbar to anchor it and there are two positions, regular and forward I believe, to set how far it extends out the back.
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Skyhighballoon(MO) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Pilot Grove, MO Points: 3115	Post Options Post Reply Quote Skyhighballoon(MO) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 4:22pm
	Dave - great pic to show what I was trying to say.... :-) Mike
	1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex 1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers

rhartwick Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 10 Apr 2011 Location: NY Points: 41	Post Options Post Reply Quote rhartwick Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 5:25pm
	Dave and Shyhigh, Thanks! Dave - great picture. It is odd - but the drawbar the salvage yard showed me lying on the floor was definitely straight and flat - and couldn't have come off a 180. Good thing I didn't just buy it. I am going to need to dig into this a bit further before buying anything. From the picture, it appears that the brake peddle mounts would be different - at least on a 180 vs my IV. So perhaps a custom welding job to my old SC drawbar might be a better approach. Oddly enough, on my IV, the SC is in an almost straight line back through the drawbar roller support on the new 3 ph assembly. Not sure if the factory setup on my IV would be the same details as the 180 - even though the basic housing might be the same. If I could get the AGCO site to work, I could compare the drawings for the IV vs a 180, but it keeps demanding some new viewer that I can't get to load or run on my computer.

Orange Blood Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Location: ColoradoSprings Points: 4053	Post Options Post Reply Quote Orange Blood Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 5:43pm
	Just looking at that picture vs. my 17 series III, the brake pivot shaft looks to be mounted the same way as the one in the picture, it also runs through the snap coupler mounting bracket. I bet it is very similar. My guess is, if you pull off your brake shaft, unbolt the sc from the bottom of the transmission, the bolt up the drawbar mount, re-install the brake shaft pivot, you will have exactly what you need.
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Russ-neia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NE Iowa Points: 489	Post Options Post Reply Quote Russ-neia Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 9:26pm
	The 180 and Series IV drawbar mount are the same. Both hold the brake pedals.
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	My 170D drawbar is still floating out there in FedEx land somewhere......
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rhartwick Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 10 Apr 2011 Location: NY Points: 41	Post Options Post Reply Quote rhartwick Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 6:45am
	Thanks guys, You're right. I wasn't looking at my IV when I said that, and my memory wasn't working too well. So let me call the junkyard and see if they can pull the housing. I've also got to sort out with them what drawbar they had lying on the floor - but it wasn't from a 180 based on these pictures.

Central WI AC guy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 20 Dec 2010 Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote Central WI AC guy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 1:36pm
	Same drawbar as a 185, there is one on ebay with a buy it now, HTH Jim http://cgi.ebay.com/185-Allis-Chalmers-Tractor-Draw-Bar-ID-2482-/270738426652?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f09448b1c

DMiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 32543	Post Options Post Reply Quote DMiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 7:17pm
	By the enlarged look this one has the same issues mine had, that is now repaired; see my post on drawbar 180.