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Sagar 
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:05am |
Hello everyone, I just wanted to take the time to say hello and say thanks for having this website. I recently bought a house in PA and was walking through the woods on my property and found an Allis tractor. I do not know much about tractors but I would like to try to learn more about this one and try to get it running. I'm guessing it is from the 1950's but not sure where to find the serial number/model number. My boss tried to help me pull the tractor out of the woods but we need heavier equipment so we will try again this week. I threw a charged battery on to see what would happen and of course nothing but I did a puff of smoke come off the negative terminal on my battery. We took the carb off and it is frozen so I have it soaking in brake fluid right now and we pulled the oil pan plug and drained about 1.5 gallons worth of coolant before we saw oil. What would be the most likely cause of the coolant being in the oil pan? I'm thinking head gasket or crack in the cylinder wall but I do not know how these engines work. Any info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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injpumpEd
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:14am |
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looks like a WD45 to me. Welcome to the Forum. I am on several forums, and this one is the best one, with some of the nicest, and most knowledgeable members. Seeing it has a delco alternator, I would guess it is 12 volt negative ground now? Ed.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:14am |
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Likely the sleeves are cracked. That much coolant in the oil is a sure sign it will at least need an overhaul.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:19am |
Hello sir and welcome to a great forum!
It looks to me like you have a WD-45 tractor, which would be from the 1950's. The serial number should be on the rearend, to the left of the differential and just under the left brake cover if I recall correctly.
The head could be cracked, or it could be in the cylinder wall somewhere. If you're lucky it might just be the head gasket or a freeze plug. I think you'll just have to tear it down to find out what's wrong. For now, assume the worst. It'll probably take some money to fix it up, but you'll have the perfect tractor for working around your new place. My Dad has a '52 WD with a trip loader and it's a great tractor. Your WD-45 has a nicer loader on it! The wide front end and wheel weights are also a plus.
Good luck and keep us updated!
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:20am |
Welcome!
Without knowing how long the tractor has been sitting there, you are a long way from putting a battery on it. With a frozen carb, it has porobably been sitting for a long time. Quite possible that the engine is seized too. Don't try pulling it to get it started either.
Best advice I can give it to drag it inside and remove the head to see how things look in the cylinders.
If that is the tractor in the picture, it looks to be a WD45 to me. Parts are pretty easy to find for them. Made between 1953 and 1957.
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Sagar
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:26am |
Ed,
Thank you for your response. This really is a great site, I've had so many responses within minutes and to answer your question yes it is a 12 volt now.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:39am |
DSeries4,
Thanks for the welcome, I really just threw the battery on to see if the power system was working or not. From the vine growth and the sizes of the saplings that were growing through the plow arms I am guessing at least 2 to 3 years since it was last running or put in its current location and the hydraulic rods for the plow are still smooth and not pitted or rusty. We tried to turn the engine but it wouldn't so it is seized. That is the tractor in the picture.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:39am |
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Welcome to the BEST tractor website ever.
One of the most common causes of coolant in the oil is the "freeze plugs" in the top of the head. You can pull the rocker arm cover off and see these core plugs near the rocker arm supports. That being said, I don't believe there is 1.5 gallons of coolant above these. With that much coolant, I would guess you have bad o rings on the bottom of at least one sleeve. I wouldn't attempt to turn it over without tearing it down to find problems or you might end up bending push rods or causing more damage to the engine components.
It looks like you have a very good starting point for a reliable chore tractor. It looks like it has a curved shifter which would make it a late WD or a WD45 built between 1953 and 1957. It also appears the hydraulic system has been altered which could be a real advantage doing loader work.
Another potential problem with these tractors is the transmission. If the operator didn't take time to stop completely to shift gears, it could tend to "pop" out of gear. Keep us informed of you progress and have fun with it. Charlie
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:53am |
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Welcome to the forum. That sure is a great find!
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:59am |
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Thanks for all the great info Charlie. As soon as I get it out of the woods and closer to my garage I will start to take the engine apart. With all the info from everyone I atleast now know what I should be looking for.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:04am |
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If you got the time and money you'll get all the advice you need here on restoring it all the way down to the correct paint codes. Just don't give up and scrap it cause that don't go over to well on this site but should be able to sell it or part it out on here if you don't get it running yourself.
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Sagar
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:32am |
Thanks for the tip Andrew. I do not plan on scraping it all. I would only sell it if I am unable to fix it myself within a reasonable budget. Main goal is to get it running and operational, everything else would be a long term goal.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:35am |
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Great find Sagar.WD 45 is a great tractor with lots of power.Love the sound of a 45 working.Those wheel weights and loader/ hydraulic system make that quite a piece of equiptment.You say there was a plow with it?Pics.We all love to see this stuff and you will not find a better site on the internet.Listen to these guys.They have saved me a lot ot money and valuable time in making repairs.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:40am |
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Tear down the motor and see what it needs.
GB makes very good loaders.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:45am |
That's a great find, and the price wasn't bad, either. These are my favorite tractors. Plenty of parts available here, from forum members or the great vendors that support this forum. Welcome from the heart of Tennessee.
Lanny
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:56am |
Sagar,
Looks like a great find; I would add doing a pressure test on the cooling system before tear down just for information. Does it have a hand crank?, if so pull the plugs and turn it over by hand, if it moves that’s good. Check the transmission for water in the oil, it has a way of coming in on top threw the shifter housing. Does the shifter have a curve to it or is it straight, the WD45 is curved. One good point is it looks like the exhust had a raincap on it. Show us some pictures of that hydrulic set up when you can. Most important thing to own is an Allis Chalmers service Manuel, you can't get a handle on things without that. Don't buy after market, I own a parts, service and owners Manuel for my WD45. Those books save you when knowledge is needed. I just want to let you know that there are some great A.C. Dealers and Vendors on this site that will ship any where you need it to go.
Danny
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:57am |
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welcome to the site ! wanna trade?
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:58am |
Wow! you got your moneys worth just in the rear weights! LOL
Isn't PA the greatest state? Buy a house, find a tractor!
In all seriousness, she probably blew up in the woods and just got left there because they figured it were not worth fixing.
Even if the engine is toast, you can easily find another at a decent price and have a great tractor to use around your place.
Welcome to the forum!
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:58am |
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you look like a natural...sittin on that thing!!
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 11:31am |
 GlenninPA wrote:
Wow! you got your moneys worth just in the rear weights! LOL
Isn't PA the greatest state? Buy a house, find a tractor!
In all seriousness, she probably blew up in the woods and just got left there because they figured it were not worth fixing.
Even if the engine is toast, you can easily find another at a decent price and have a great tractor to use around your place.
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This is exactly what I was thinking happened to this tractor! It was being used, blew up, threw rod, whatever, and just got left where it was! 226 engines are plentiful, should be able to find enough parts to put it back together. Or I'm sure you could sell it as is if you dont want the burden. Ed.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 11:47am |
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Welcome to the forum, the best place in the world to get information and advice on Allis Chalmers tractors and equipment. You've hit the jackpot with that find, a good looking WD45 WFE and a good looking hydraulic bucket loader. A great one to restore.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 12:04pm |
Where about in PA are you from? I might have to look in the back yard, find a tractor?
I have been here for 27 years, might not work for me! I see HUNDREDS of tractors (lots more wheels) a day in my back yard, THE PA TURNPIKE!
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 12:05pm |
Welcome to the forum. I realy like that tractor you "found" in the woods.
Listen carefully to what is said above. They have experience and expertise to provide information on just about anything you want to know. Let us know how it goes.
Good Luck!
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 12:15pm |
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That is a good find. I'd tear down the motor like some have said already and see what it looks like. If the trany isn't rusted up, you can rebuild the engine. If the trany has problems the price to fix went up. The fact that it has a rain cap that is down instead of rusted open is a plus.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 12:37pm |
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Thanks everyone for the warm welcome and all the advice and suggestions. All the feedback is getting me really excited about this tractor. I will post more pics as soon as I re-size them. Also I mentioned it has a plow but I meant the loader (my farm equipment terminolgy is that great sorry).
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Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 12:48pm |
Welcome to the site Sagar! this is a great place to find info.
Where in Pa. are you located? I'm in N.W Pa. not far from Erie.
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