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captaindana 
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 Topic: D14 power steer fluid?
Posted: 14 Sep 2023 at 6:50am |
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Once again what shall I use? Thanks!
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Dana
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 14 Sep 2023 at 6:56am |
sorry, none available,..... you'll have to haul MY new D-14 up here. I need another 'winter project' !!!!!
My D-14 doesn't have POWER STEERING , sniff sniff.
Still smiling ?????
Jay
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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)
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DrAllis
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Posted: 14 Sep 2023 at 7:40am |
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Keep it simple. Use hydraulic fluid like you probably have a barrel of for the other tractors.
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captaindana
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Posted: 14 Sep 2023 at 7:40am |
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Ha ha J this was supposed to be my winter project also but pretty sure I’ll have it done in a couple days then I’ll be looking for another one lol in the meantime I think automatic transmission fluid
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captaindana
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Posted: 14 Sep 2023 at 11:49am |
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Thanks Doc I like simple!
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DSeries4
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Posted: 14 Sep 2023 at 3:47pm |
ATF is you are confident that your seals don't leak. If not, hydraulic oil will work but is thicker, so ATF works better in cold weather.
I run ATF in both of my power steering models.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 14 Sep 2023 at 4:27pm |
UTF, Hydraulic oil, or Trans fluid.. as long as it is Type F, A or the old Dextron 1 or 2.
I would not use the "NEW" MERCON LV or Dextron V or similar that is HIGH in cleaning addatives.... that could effect seals as DSeries said.
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DiyDave
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Posted: 14 Sep 2023 at 5:07pm |
IIRR, Book says use 5w20 ND... 
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captaindana
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Posted: 14 Sep 2023 at 5:55pm |
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She doesn’t leak a drop so far and is topped with hyd oil Thanks! Scrubbed dried and taped her today
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DrAllis
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Posted: 14 Sep 2023 at 6:02pm |
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A short history lesson on oils A-C has used: A 1948 model WD used 10W or 20W (temperature sensitive) non-foaming/non-detergent oil in the hydraulic sump. A 1953 WD-45 was the same requirement. A 1957 D-17 stayed with this same oil type in the hydraulic and power steering. The Power Director clutch at this time used 80/90 wt gear oil. Sometime after 1957 the Power Director clutch began to also use a 20W non-detergent oil, same as the hydraulic sump. 1964 was the introduction of the Series 4 D-17. It now had Dexron "Type A" oil in the Power Director clutch/hydraulic system (all one compartment now) and the same type "A" oil in the power steering. Three years later, in 1967 the One-Seventy also stayed with type "A" oil, which by now had been branded Allis-Chalmers 322 Power Fluid and 80/90 in the transmission/differential. By 1969, the oil recomendation now became Power Fluid 821 everywhere (10W30) thus replacing type"A' fluid and 80/90 gear oil. Remember, 821 became 821XL and then, PermaTran. Today's oil is used completely thru the transmission, final drives and hydraulic system on 600+ HP AGCO tractors. There is no manufacturer that goes back and re-writes the owners manual of tractors 10 or 20 or even 60 years old. We just have to figure out what works. 821XL/PermaTran keeps it simple !! One oil serves everything winter and summer !!
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Ray54
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Posted: 15 Sep 2023 at 12:46pm |
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What would your local source of oil say if you walked in an asked for 10-30 non detergent today. I had a run in with the local Exon distributor back in the early 80's asking for a barrel of it. I thing I had to show them the operators manual, for the Orchard Machinery Corporation nut shaker. Not a complex hydraulic system by todays standards. A Vickers vane pump 3 cylinders for clamp movement and the for the one for clamping the limb, and 1 motor to do the shaking. And to bring it back to AC mounted on the U frame of a Garwood dozer on a HD 9 crawler.
Edited by Ray54 - 15 Sep 2023 at 12:47pm
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snowman(MI)
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Posted: 18 Sep 2023 at 6:51am |
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Dr. Allis' short lesson on oils should be added to the knowledge section if it isn't already.
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