Why did Deutz kill the 8000 series?

Deutz did not want AC tractors - they already had their own. The only thing Deutz wanted were the combines and the dealer network.

'49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080

Dseries4 is right, all they wanted was combines and dealers. Kind of like Biden didn't want anything good that Trump did. Results were the same.

Deutz bought the Allis Chalmers farm business- Allis had some of the best in the business with the 8000 series- Deutz wanted to keep that going , but they did not buy the tractor plant, so their plan was to move all 8000 tooling etc, to Germany build them and send them back over here,, these were crazy times and thoughts then they decided to axe the whole idea as it was too expensive, if you go thru AC and Deutz Allis they promoted the 8000 series till 1986,,

Never Green ,they did ship their own tractors here .

He who dies with the most toys is,
nonetheless ,still dead.
If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED.
Just because you do not have the tools for job , it dose not make it a bad design.

Stories I’ve heard tend to align with what Kcgrain said. Deutz didn’t buy the tractor line and Allis was destroying tooling and blueprints. Seems they thought if they couldn’t keep the tractor line, no one could have it. There are old newspaper articles documenting exactly what was sold to Deutz but I don’t have them accessible right now.

AC7060IL wrote:

So are any of the Allis-Chalmers tractors currently residing within any legal intellectual ownership by a principle entity (patents, acknowledgments, etc)?
Reason I asked this question? Is there any legal ramifications against someone who might transfer a tractor’s actual measurements into a new casting mold & begin reproducing any/all parts?

Patens are only good for so many years. I keep thinking 25 but that could of been "the good old days" and it is much shorter today.

It has got so costly and time consuming to take such paten case to court, very seldom is it done. The Chinese copy just about anything and everything. Nephew is a completive shooter and builds sound suppressers for a large company. His boss allowed him to use the shop to build sites for completive shooters. The market was never going to large, but the Chinese made a copy and advertised it in the USA.

But back to AC as reported here, one tiny bit of AC was still around in the electrical business. But the story of closing even that was one here in the last few years. So who would of spent any money buying old out dated patents. So if you wish to build a few hand made parts and selling them go for it.

dr p wrote:

I don't quite remember the details but my kid brother is an engineer for case IH new holland. For one of their tractor lines 20 years ago they bought all the tool and die works for an Allis d-17. Used that for the chassis and dropped their own engines, hydraulic and electric into it. Made the whole thing in turkey. Was a financial success . Goodness knows what that was still doing around.

I would assume those tractors were sold in the Asia and Africa market, those models never made it to the U.S. ?
I would like to see what those tractors looked like,

I'd bet good money it was the 5050 platform they used, as it's a FIAT anyway. People tend to remember things different than they actually happen, or hear the story different than its told lol!

210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!

I will have to ask him next time i see him

Have you ever tried to tell a German anything?

The comment tractors couldnt support West Allis is so true - if they only would have moved tractor/ combine production to its own/only facility as the Allis Chalmers Farm Equipment Company; sounds good in hindsite- but they were so far gone there was no resurection ,, sad , as they were a 2 Billion dollar company with record profits in 1979,,

What I don't get is the modern day AGCO. Why did they drop the Allis Chalmers name, or even the orange AGCO tractors that had a strong loyal following in North America, and instead are trying to ram only German Fendt's down our throats?

I gues Fendt is a good tractor? But why not promote the names they already own that North Americans grew up with like Allis and Massey Ferguson.

Even the combines.....they would rather sell Fendt's over here than Gleaners.

Fendt tractors are becoming very popular near us. Their highway speed is a big seller as many farmers in the next county have farms 30 miles apart. Massey is popular also in that same area. Locally NH is probably the most popular next to JD. Our county still has plenty of AC’s still hard at work. Between my brothers and I we account for 14 of em lol.

1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

Prior to the duetz buyout AC was planning or throwing the idea around moving tractor production out of west allis. The plant was dated and labour/union costs apparently were high.
Along with outsourcing engines.
On a higher note when agco moved tractor production to independence out of coldwater, some of the former AC engineering employees gave the 9100 series (whites)a make over with the release of 9600 series. Have a look at one the AC influence clearly shows. To bad that all ended a few short years later.

ALLIS CHALMERS "The color is orange"

According to our Allis dealer at the time, Deutz owned 20% of Steiger; Steiger was going to manufacture row crop tractors for Deutz-Allis, using a Deutz engine. CaseIH threw a monkey wrench into that plan, when they purchased the 80% of Steiger that Deutz didn't own. So, they went shopping for a someone to manufacture a tractor for them. According to our dealer, they went with White for two reasons; (1) Deutz engineers felt only the White rear end could hold up to the low end torque of the Deutz engine, and (2) White was offering them the best warranty.

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