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DrAllis
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Posted: 20 Sep 2022 at 5:59pm |
I've got a really nice (but weathered) 1965-ish 3 x 14's 70 series snap-coupler fully mounted plow with slat-bottoms. It is just like the one my Dad bought new when I was 12 years old. The AGCO website isn't the best on this old equipment, but I think it has "394" series bottoms, that I assume are 14 inches wide for cut. The metal I.D. tag says 385928-4. I'd like to find new plow shares/lays/blades and think what I need is 70569430 and of course there are none available from AGCO. I was able to find a 70569431 which is supposed to be for a 16 inch 394 bottom. I was hoping it would have the same bolt pattern and maybe just have a longer tail, which I could easily shorten. Well, that didn't exactly work out. The bolt pattern is very similar, but spaced differently. I was thinking about trying to drill new holes in the blade to match the holes in the frog. Then, thread the new holes to 3/8" NC and install gr 8 bolts from the bottom side of just the right length. Not sure I can do this and if I do, I'll need to do all three bottoms so the cut depth is identical. Sure like to know if I really do have 14 inch bottoms and what might be my best blade option to be sure the plow will go in the ground when I show it off next spring on a plow day with a bunch of 2-bangers. Had a lot of fun about 3 weeks ago plowing with the high-platform One-Seventy and my 4 x 14's snap-coupler fully mounted 70 series plow. I had new blades on the 387 bottoms and the plow did a really nice job. Had to try and work in a land by myself ( or in the lead) as the others were too slow.
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Tracy Martin TN
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Have you tried Dave Sousa the plowman. He might have NOS shares. I have some plow bottom manuals. Text me some pics and I will see what they are if possible. The manual for the 70 and 80 mounted plow shows 364 and 374 slat bottoms if that helps.Tracy
Edited by Tracy Martin TN - 20 Sep 2022 at 8:17pm |
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Mikez
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I can help you with 569430. What other number you looking for
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DrAllis
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569430 is the plow share I think I need, but not sure. I've cleaned off the backside of one and there isn't any number to work with.
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DrAllis
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Tracy, that is why the AGCO sight isn't much help. All they show is a 394 slat bottom.
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Mikez
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Ok I’ll get a picture of them. Should be able to tomorrow
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Mikez
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Would picture of tape measure on holes help
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Ky.Allis
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I bought a new Mod.83 plow in 1972 with 374 slat bottoms and a few years later bought a new 2000 mono-frame 4 bottom and it had 394 slat bottoms. The 394 was the last slat bottom for AC. Doc, you mentioned 1965 so I would say you have a 374 bottom or earlier. The 394 bottom had the long brace going to outer end of slats bolted to "inside" of vertical beam and 374 had that long brace bolted to "outside" of vertical beam. The position of this brace on the 394 bottom made it stronger to prevent the outer end of the slats from wanting to "lay back" and turned the furrow better than the 374 bottom. I know this doesn't help with what you're looking for and you are right on AGCO parts not being much help.
Edited by Ky.Allis - 21 Sep 2022 at 12:18am |
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DrAllis
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I'm beginning to think AGCO's on-line parts book for these old plows is missing a few pages. I wonder if the "374" slat bottom was for 70/80 series plows?? and the "394" was for the 9000 series and newer plows ?? and then also go backwards to the "364" slat to a 60 series ?? That would make sense and no such information available. With that in mind, I even wonder if the (70)569430 share p/n is even correct for my plow bottom ?? The metal tag attached to each bottom 385928-4 is the definitive info of what I have for a bottom series.
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CORLEWFARM
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We would take and drill the frog to match a readily available one
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Allis dave
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I have a PDF of one of the Plow parts books that I can send if that helps.
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DrAllis
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Maybe that PDF could be added to the "Plows 101" in the knowledge section. I think I may have found some old stock shares for what I'm trying to do.
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Mikez
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Does the pdf in plow 101 still work for you guys. Hasn’t for awhile for me.
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Kenny L.
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If I'm reading my plow parts book right you're right Doc
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Allis dave
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It looks like the GramdpasTractor website that used to host the plow parts book in the knowledgebase section is gone. I don't know how to attach a PDF of the manual there without a website to host it. If any has a site, I'll share my PDF with you to post.
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Alex09(WI)
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Looks like the 385928 bottom is a 374 slat. |
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Kenny L.
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Here are the shares number I come up with from my plow parts book, with that said I'm not going to say these are right. Doc 326087,326086,326082 should work.
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Alex09(WI)
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Edited by Alex09(WI) - 21 Sep 2022 at 9:17am |
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Alex09(WI)
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If you have 14" bottoms, this book shows the 14" part #'s: |
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DrAllis
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Now we're getting somewhere !!! And it somewhat confirms what I've been looking at. I feel my slat bottoms are a 16 inch cut, not 14 inch as the frame is set-up for. I believe my shares are a couple inches longer than they need to be. Thanks, Alex !!
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Ky.Allis
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On 80 series the same share is used when you change the frame from 14" to 16". Older JD plows used a short share which did not cut the full 14" or 16". The narrow "uncut" soil at the front was supposed to help in "flipping" the soil over. Friend years ago had a JD F145? 3 bottom with frame mounted jointers which I believe was the best plow I was ever around especially in sod ground.
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DrAllis
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Alex, I've got a similar sales book like you have posted only mine is dated July 26th, 1976. The 374 slat bottom was not used and it was replaced by the 394 slat bottom. The price went up to $175 each.
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Alex09(WI)
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Interesting! What is the catalog # of the 394 bottom option? None of the 394 bottom wear parts are listed in my 1982 fast moving parts book, pictured above.
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DrAllis
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Catalog # 581826 for the 394 slat bottom. 82 lbs weight.
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Mikez
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With this info. Which plow share would you be looking for.
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DrAllis
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As of right now, I think Kenny L has what I need and he is 12 miles away from me. Hopefully, Saturday morning we can get together and compare my old shares (with no p/n on them) and what he has in his private stash.
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Mikez
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Oh good deal.
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IBWD MIke
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Doc, that is a stroke of luck to find them, and, 12 miles from home! Allis plow shares are like hens teeth, that's why I have so many plows. Find one with good wear parts, comes home.
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DrAllis
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I've had a very productive 24 hrs !! Last night after work, in ONE hour, I had all four threaded joints on the lifting links apart and anti-seized back together. Never used the torch on one joint !! Today, I picked up three new plow shares from Kenny L, got them installed and spent the next three hours with a 9 inch wire brush on my DeWalt grinder polishing the many years of rust off each plow bottom and cover boards. All three rolling coulters took grease !!! Got to find a 14 inch car tire for the depth wheel and I am ready to go plowing on Oct 15th !!! Thanks, Kenny L for parting with the plow shares !!!! Looking forward to the sound of WD-45 Power Crater pistons talking thru a Nelson muffler, pulling a plow just exactly like the one my Dad bought new when I was 13 !!!!
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Great news Doc!! Have a good time flipping dirt upside down.
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