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steve(ill) 
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 Topic: Crankcase Oil ??
Posted: 21 Jan 2022 at 12:32pm |
I always thought you asked questions, when you wanted to LEARN something...
If you ask a question, get an answer, then proceed to tell people why they are WRONG and what the "REAL" answer is.......... WHY ASK ?
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Ray54
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Posted: 21 Jan 2022 at 10:20am |
Sure glad to learn there is gold at the end of the rainbow  when we get to the 40,000 point. 
Also learned some people like not learning after asking the question.
Does the blue oval turn red or black when all the oil ( cheap, expensive, dino, or synthetic ) drips out ? When you don't want to use the dip stick thing.
Edited by Ray54 - 21 Jan 2022 at 10:24am
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Posted: 21 Jan 2022 at 6:45am |
I worked at an AC-Delco filter factory one summer. You wanna talk B O R I N G ! ! ! 
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Posted: 20 Jan 2022 at 7:15pm |
Hey DD, seems my checks are pretty minuscule... goin to hafta wait till I gits over the 40 mark to see how much bigger them checks start getting to be. I'll be in the green! 
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Posted: 20 Jan 2022 at 6:45pm |
You mean the old DERF badge like this one? or these...
FreeGas, I have been cutting filters apart for years and have been surprised by the differences in quality and constuction. My opinion has been that napa and wix filters were the better ones. AC (Not Allis-Chalmers), fram, hastings not so good... but that can be between applications too.... Cut your filters apart and see what your buying. Also you can observe what the filter has trapped before going into the engine.
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He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself
The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that."
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Posted: 20 Jan 2022 at 6:20pm |
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Yeah, but when you get to 10,000 posts, pure magic happens! 20,000 is out of this world! |
Not to mention the checks that start rolling in at 40K!
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Posted: 20 Jan 2022 at 4:28pm |
The FADED BLUE OVAL strikes again !!!
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Posted: 20 Jan 2022 at 2:08pm |
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Yeah, but when you get to 10,000 posts, pure magic happens! 20,000 is out of this world!
Edited by Tbone95 - 20 Jan 2022 at 2:09pm
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Posted: 20 Jan 2022 at 12:24pm |
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Couldn't agree with you more Coke!
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Posted: 19 Jan 2022 at 10:48pm |
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Klinemar - Seems someone is a expert on it, looking at many posts !
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Posted: 16 Jan 2022 at 9:47pm |
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“NEVER ARGUE WITH STUPID PEOPLE. THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE.”MARK TWAIN
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Posted: 16 Jan 2022 at 9:04pm |
FREEDGUY wrote:
Thanks LARS. Do you have a Costco in your area? I mentioned above while you were typing, I can't run full synthetic  . |
No, there is not.
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Posted: 16 Jan 2022 at 8:47pm |
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Posted: 16 Jan 2022 at 6:40pm |
Thanks LARS. Do you have a Costco in your area? I mentioned above while you were typing, I can't run full synthetic .
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Posted: 16 Jan 2022 at 6:34pm |
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Prices are very competitive. Buy it.
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Posted: 16 Jan 2022 at 6:33pm |
It was just an observation of $$. I do NOT run full synthetic as is runs through the 5.4 like corn through a goose !!
I'll stick with Rock Auto for my oil needs !! You guys have blown this innocent topic WAY out of proportion with API/VISCOSITY BS 
Edited by FREEDGUY - 16 Jan 2022 at 6:38pm
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Posted: 16 Jan 2022 at 6:27pm |
Well are you a sheep and stay with and follow the herd or you the coyote that goes your own way ????
Sounds like a cheaper price for synthetic oil. But I payed 4.60 g for 87 test gas today, so how would I know.
The S A E oil rating system was explained to you here. If you believe the testing is legit and one or another party has not been payed off.................the oil SHOULD BE THE SAME no matter what name it has if it is the same grade (not viscosity).
So YOU have to engage brain and make a choice.
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Posted: 16 Jan 2022 at 5:59pm |
FREEDGUY wrote:
Wife just sent me pics/prices of Costco oil; FULL synthetic 0-20;5W-3O IN 10 QUART PACKS FOR $30. 15w40 diesel oil is $32/ 10 quart unit. Good or bad pricing ?? |
BTW, our local Costco had pallet fulls of each
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Posted: 16 Jan 2022 at 5:40pm |
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Wife just sent me pics/prices of Costco oil; FULL synthetic 0-20;5W-3O IN 10 QUART PACKS FOR $30. 15w40 diesel oil is $32/ 10 quart unit. Good or bad pricing ??
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Posted: 16 Jan 2022 at 12:21pm |
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For older engines the big thing that is missing from modern oil is the addition of ZINC as a anti-wear additive , especially in engines that use lifters off cam that may be flat bottom non rotating lifters such as small engines , motorcycle engines , and older cars .
You could add ZINC based additives like STP to oil but even that additive has reduced the Zinc level to meet modern EPA restrictions .
Seems the specs for Diesel oils has also changed as older additive packages now foul up the CAT-Converters on modern regen units used on Diesels
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Posted: 16 Jan 2022 at 12:16pm |
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Local outfit that packaged oil made or blended oils for many different labels.
Friend worked there part time and could get oil at reduced prices . I bought oil for IH -Hi tran fluid and he asked me if I wanted the IH labeled oil or the generic oil packaged for other labels . Said additives differed some according to label but all met the Military Spec # for the product .
So another way to judge products id to use Military Spec # but not all products print that on container , usually only on bulk 5 gal or above containers .
Friend got me the true IH formula but i had to wait a week until they ran that batch and also had to provide the containers for him to fill when they ran it .
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"Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful."
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Posted: 15 Jan 2022 at 7:01pm |
Lars(wi) wrote:
Did you miss my response? |
He's probably seeing double by now, it is Saturday night and all.
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Posted: 15 Jan 2022 at 6:57pm |
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Posted: 15 Jan 2022 at 6:53pm |
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AND.... you dont control the POST... YOU ask a question and others can chip in with additional questions or info... Its NOT your SHOW. |
Point taken Steve, but even you've got to admit, this is FAR from FRAM and KIRKLAND !!
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Posted: 15 Jan 2022 at 6:34pm |
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AND.... you dont control the POST... YOU ask a question and others can chip in with additional questions or info... Its NOT your SHOW.
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Posted: 15 Jan 2022 at 6:30pm |
Your an IDIOT..... AFTER the first post, YOU ASKED if the Store Brand oils were QUALITY.... THAT depends on the API rating !!
And mentioning that Viscosity is NOT related to API is just additional info for those that DONT KNOW.
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Posted: 15 Jan 2022 at 6:22pm |
Once again, a simple question got ALL KINDS of FUBAR'D !! The original post had NOTHING to do with viscosity/API ratings  !! PLEASE READ GUYS !!!!!!
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Posted: 15 Jan 2022 at 12:58pm |
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Don't confuse viscosity (thickness) ratings and service ratings. Viscosity=numbers=how thick/thin the oil is. Service ratings=Letters=Prefix "S" =Spark Ignition and prefix "C"= Compression Ignition. Second letter is sequential, i.e. the higher in the aphabet the second letter is, the "better quality" the oil is. I do think the highest Service rating was SN when I was teaching shop. The information on the label was many times ,"selling the sizzle and not the steak." Tried to teach kids to look for the "target" of the API "donut" to get most of the SAE/API information without a lot of the hype. R. Musgrave
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Posted: 14 Jan 2022 at 8:14pm |
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Freedguy, Steve is not bashing Fram and neither am I! You use Oil that is recommended for your vehicle and what the specs are for the Oil! I could care less if you used Corn Oil or Olive Oil! I would ask that you read the label before pouring it into your vehicle!
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Posted: 14 Jan 2022 at 7:21pm |
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API spec has NOTHING to do with Viscosity..... You need to check your manual to see if you need a 5W20.... or 10w30 type oil ( example)... but they ALL will say SP on the bottle.
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