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DougG
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Tbone95
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In this case, yes, coincidence.
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LOL. I think we should all jump off the highest bridge we can find. I hear of people doing this all the time. Who all is in???? |
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I only have a few years of college, but over 60 in life. I figure I'm educated enough to listen to what the scientists are telling people, and not some idiot off the street. If you are not smart enough to get the shot that's fine, enjoy the ventilator!
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I agree ! If you aren't going to listen to scientists or doctors, why waste the doctor's time (and yours) going to the doctor ?
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DMiller
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Really seems 'Convenient' that the Numbers change to produce a reason for the political designs right as the original basis was declining in value. IE: PERCEIVED levels of Vaccinations go down, dramatically in SAME week to close weeks there is a MASSIVE rise of infections, so from where did these come from, if had been in Decline? Same with the impromptu group events that were 'Supposed' to end up with MASS infections and could not come up with justification numbers LONG after. Vaccinations began, Were NOT EVEN at a week out from the initiation point and numbers dropped like a rock, cannot by any concept or standard occur, takes MONTHS for a vaccination effort to define a 'Change' yet these were damned near to 'Instantaneous'. Then Vaccinations slow and Infections increase like clockwork, again, NOT probable. This also falls to 'Other' conditions, Firearms Controls legislations fail and MAGIC occurs with mass shootings in Several States with no conceptual reasoning or rationale to cause yet if the politicals get their laws, the numbers decline as rapidly as these arose, again the laws of Probability do NOT rationalize said 'Instantaneous' changes.
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Dale (Stonelick)
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Joe Rogan podcast #1671 addresses why Ivermectin has not been approved for human testing by the CDC. https://open.spotify.com/episode/7uVXKgE6eLJKMXkETwcw0D?si=mtUCu3qqTg6G8Hw-BfSubw&dl_branch=1 My quick summary of the points I think this podcast was trying to make:
I have wondered why the dozen or so available treatment drugs have never been approved by the CDC - this podcast might explain why. On the other hand, it does not explain why the foreign countries overwhelmed by COVID (eg Brazil, Mexico, India, etc) do not use these available and cheap treatment drugs to control their problem. |
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steve(ill)
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I have wondered why the dozen or so available treatment drugs have never been approved by the CDC - this podcast might explain why. On the other hand, it does not explain why the foreign countries overwhelmed by COVID (eg Brazil, Mexico, India, etc) do not use these available and cheap treatment drugs to control their problem.
The explaination is simple... The DATA does not support the use of the " treatment drugs" The guy can say anything he wants on the PODCAST... but he has no DATA to back that up. The TEST results showed little difference in taking these drugs compared to taking salt tablets... not even CLOSE to what the VACCINE can do.
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steve(ill)
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There was a STUDY done and it was posted in the NYPOST .... The "RESULTS" were not supported by the DATA.... they make it look like the ivermectin is BETTER than salt tablets, but never compared to the VACCINE..
this is the NYPOST article Just 8 out of 573 patients who received ivermectin passed away, compared to the 44 individuals out of 510 who died after being given a placebo. So the DEATHS are 8 out of 573 or 2% for the ivermectine.......Compared to maybe 1000 out of 150 MILLION for the Vaccine ......... .0007% ??? |
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Dorix
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I think we should consider this pandemic as over as it's going to be when everyone who wants the vaccine gets it and those that don't want it don't have to. It's there choice.
I only got it because I don't like wearing a mask all the time everywhere, I had the covid last November and don't believe the shot gives you much if any better protection than natural resistance to it from having it.
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Tbone95
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I understand, agree with, how it should be your own choice. What I can’t understand, is how anyone could think our “natural resistance “ is as effective as the shot. |
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Dorix
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RE: how anyone could think our “natural resistance “ is as effective as the shot.
Natural resistance from having had it, and are there any good sources on which is more effective? Someone brings up a source and someone else has a reason to distrust them.
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steve(ill)
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The problem is this virus has only been around 18 months and the vaccine has only been around 8 months.. NOBODY can tell you what the "resistance" is... First they said it would be 6 months, then 12 months... now reports say it might last 4-5 years... THEY DONT KNOW... Its all a guess.... only TIME will tell..... same with Natural Resistance..
Either get the Vaccine or dont... be happy with your decision.... its YOUR life. in the mean time there are presently 400 people dieing ever day ( in the US) from the WUHAN... and the number infected daily is starting to rise quickly.
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DMiller
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Please explain why then the Vaccination cards we all acquired are Print Dated September(09) 03 2020, lead time to set presses and establish a volume print would take three weeks according to family member that is in a printing company that does volume jobs as that. So Vaccinations were defined as of August 2020, 10, almost 11 months ago. BTW, the NIH and CDC KNEW required TWO Doses then. Edited by DMiller - 11 Jul 2021 at 2:33pm |
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steve(ill)
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There were 50,000 VOLUNTEERS that took the wuhan shot last summer... the test lasted a few months...The "tests" involved some getting one shot, some getting two shot 4-6 weeks apart.... YES... they knew late in the summer what was going to happen last winter..
Also they were keeping the vaccines at something like 200 degrees below zero and the "TEST" allowed them to take the bottles out of the freezer for a few MINUTES to give doses... Additional testing this spring has shown that you can keep these in a normal freezer, and time OUT of the freezer has been extended. Like i said, this is VERY YOUNG... a few months... they are still TESTING and still LEARNING.. then dont know how it will end, and dont know if we will need another shot in the future... TOO EARLY to tell.
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steve(ill)
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The question we SHOULD be asking ... The WUHAN FLU was first noted in China in Nov-Dec 2019... Was in the USA in Feb- March 2020...
I know research companies are "always" looking into things, but HOW DID THEY GET the mRNA VACCINE into testing in March 2020 , if we didnt even know we had the virus just a few weeks before that ??? .............. look at the DATE below. Edited by steve(ill) - 11 Jul 2021 at 4:33pm |
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DMiller
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The major manufacturers all had their vaccines running by February
And March This had to have been known to NIH(ie Fauci the Faker) to have gotten that early a start. |
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Tbone95
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But, we don't know all that much about having it either, how long that lasts and such. Chicken pox? Mumps? Get it and you're good. How about the flu? How many times have you had that? (Me, several) How about a "common cold"? How many times? (Me, too many to count) And yet the jokesters call this the Wuhan Flu, others have referred to "the coronavirus is the common cold". Which, A coronavirus causes about 25% of common colds, but not "the" coronavirus.
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Tbone95
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The work into studying and developing MRNA type vaccine began years ago. MERS and other outbreaks sparked the need. Doctors and scientists are always studying such things, rarely does it make any headlines. Another thing, at the scientific level work is highly shared: papers are published, conferences are held, teams of people research and these people move around.
We heard about "rumblings" in China here at work in December of 19, then really heard vague but ominous rumblings at a meeting for employees by ownership in early Feb. Yes, we have a site over there. The owners didn't know a lot, because they couldn't get a lot, was hard for the people in China to really communicate. All we knew, was it was something very different, the streets were empty, they were being locked down, and our contacts didn't know what was happening or for how long. Remember how they were building 3 hospitals in a few weeks time?? Our owner at the end of the meeting simply said, "You don't shut down that big of a chunk of the global economy without huge ramifications." So how early do you suppose President Trump knew of such things? When he cut loose with operation warp speed, the vaccine final developments and rollouts happened pretty fast. A DNA sequence of a Virus can be determined in practically no time by the computing power we have, with that, the MRNA can be developed to fight it. It really didn't take that long to put the final pieces of the puzzle together with the easing of regulations and the huge influx of money and other governmental support. It isn't like they opened a puzzle box and there was no picture to go by. Edited by Tbone95 - 12 Jul 2021 at 7:26am |
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I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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i got the shots (2) cuz my imune system is about nil. i don't wanna be like my BIL. he's still in the hosp with covid and it looks like he'll die there! he told me earlier that he wasn't gonna be a ginny pig and take the shot(s), then he contracted covid, took it home to his wife, she got it and died from it, he's been in the hospital since this spring, it's down to where he can't walk without pooping himself. yep...sure worked out for him....huh? i do get it tho...if you don't want people telling you what to do. that's a decision ya'll have to make yourselves. kinda like if gals should go on the pill or not...just take the chance.
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Edited by LouSWPA - 13 Jul 2021 at 10:33pm |
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I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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LouSWPA
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Interesting, mention genetically modified agricultural products, food etc and people have conniption fit, but this flu shot they have no problem with
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I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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It's clear to me you obviously did not do your homework. Information is evolving as science works it's way through the problem. However, hundreds of millions of people having gotten their vaccines around the world and the data is more than sufficient to say the best solution is to get vaccinated. It is NOT untested. Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. Even if you have already recovered from COVID-19, it is possible—although rare—that you could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 again. Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html#:~:text=Yes%2C%20you%20should%20be,had%20COVID%2D19. The claim that an email from Fauci proves he knew masks were ineffective at mitigating the spread of COVID-19 is MISSING CONTEXT, based on our research. Fauci sent the email on Feb. 5, 2020, more than a month before the World Health Organization declared COVID-19 a worldwide pandemic. The understanding about the effectiveness of masks and guidance about wearing them evolved during the pandemic, as did Fauci’s position on their use. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/03/fact-check-missing-context-claim-mask-emails-fauci/7531267002/
We're in the midst of a global pandemic, statistics aren't perfect. Over 600,000 deaths in the US and over 4 million world wide, are some pretty grim, hard, convincing statistics. Are we clear ? |
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Not so much a pandemic as a global bio war brought upon by the Chinese.
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I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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Contextually, I didn't really mean that as you're taking it.....and looking back kind of hard to explain, but it made sense at the time. However, the MRNA method is not a weakened/ deactivated virus type shot. It is instructions on how to make antibodies to paraphrase. Part of all the hoopla and uproar.
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