Covid shots

FREEDGUY wrote: A "blanket question" to the posters of the "YT" stats, did you guys get the vaccine or not ??

Ya, Dave’s wife told him to, jay didn’t answer.

A "blanket question" to the posters of the "YT" stats, did you guys get the vaccine or not ?? 

Just saying............

Edited by steve(ill) - 14 Jul 2021 at 6:16pm

steve(ill) wrote: Either way, Old FAUCI is azz hole deep in the making of the VIRUS and the VACCINE ! ... Going back YEARS, not months.

So……it took a long time, not easy, ok Lou?

Either way, Old FAUCI is azz hole deep in the making of the VIRUS and the VACCINE ! ... Going back YEARS, not months.

Thats my point.... Comes to USA in Jan- Feb 2020. and by MID MARCH they got the "FIX"..... WOW are we GOOD !!!    

steve(ill) wrote: On March 15 when we had a few cases in the US and they shut down NYC, within 24 HOURS, they put the Moderna vaccine into TEST PEOPLE.... WITHIN 1  DAY ??? OBVIOUSLY they had been working on it... But SPECIFIC TO WUHAN FLU ???  Makes you wonder if the guys that DEVELOPED the mRNA, ALSO DEVELOPED the WUHAN FLU virus ?? Seems more MORE THAN A COINCIDENCE this all happened with a few hours/ days of each other ??? ------------------- The vaccine is called mRNA-1273 and was developed by NIAID scientists and their collaborators at the biotechnology company Moderna, Inc., based in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI) supported the manufacturing of the vaccine candidate for the Phase 1 clinical trial. “Finding a safe and effective vaccine to prevent infection with SARS-CoV-2 is an urgent public health priority,” said NIAID Director Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. “This Phase 1 study, launched in record speed, is an important first step toward achieving that goal.”

On March 15 when we had a few cases in the US and they shut down NYC, within 24 HOURS, they put the Moderna vaccine into TEST PEOPLE.... WITHIN 1  DAY ???

Edited by steve(ill) - 14 Jul 2021 at 1:57pm

WF owner wrote: I guess what bothers me the most (that no one is saying here) is that statistics are saying that people are divided, about getting immunized or not getting immunized, so distinctly according to political persuasion. This is a virus that has escalated into a pandemic. Politics should have nothing to do with getting immunized or not getting immunized. I'm pretty much in agreement with you on that. However, it has it's roots in politics, so much misinformation has been distributed to the public resulting from politics, that it is hard to separate truth from fiction. It's very origins is a good example, the masks is another, and then we discover that the very 'expert' called upon to guide us out of this is likely part of the reason we have it to begin with....it's hard to trust anyone, or anything. Obviously, with respect to a 'cure', it doesn't matter where it came from, but when those that are providing the 'cure', are the ones that lied to you about its origin, its hard to trust the 'cure'. Or, when we discover the lying weazel that is supposedly leading the nation to a 'cure' was involved in it's origin, it's hard to trust the 'cure'.

I guess what bothers me the most (that no one is saying here) is that statistics are saying that people are divided, about getting immunized or not getting immunized, so distinctly according to political persuasion.

LouSWPA wrote: Tbone95 wrote: The work into studying and developing MRNA type vaccine began years ago. MERS and other outbreaks sparked the need.  Doctors and scientists are always studying such things, rarely does it make any headlines.  Another thing, at the scientific level work is highly shared: papers are published, conferences are held, teams of people research and these people move around.  We heard about "rumblings" in China here at work in December of 19, then really heard vague but ominous rumblings at a meeting for employees by ownership in early Feb.  Yes, we have a site over there.  The owners didn't know a lot, because they couldn't get a lot, was hard for the people in China to really communicate.  All we knew, was it was something very different, the streets were empty, they were being locked down, and our contacts didn't know what was happening or for how long.  Remember how they were building 3 hospitals in a few weeks time??  Our owner at the end of the meeting simply said, "You don't shut down that big of a chunk of the global economy without huge ramifications." So how early do you suppose President Trump knew of such things?  When he cut loose with operation warp speed, the vaccine final developments and rollouts happened pretty fast.  A DNA sequence of a Virus can be determined in practically no time by the computing power we have, with that, the MRNA can be developed to fight it.  It really didn't take that long to put the final pieces of the puzzle together with the easing of regulations and the huge influx of money and other governmental support.  It isn't like they opened a puzzle box and there was no picture to go by. I have been around this type of research most of my life, I myself am not a PhD, don't even have a BS, but I have watched brainiacs, real propellerheads, struggle for years on such stuff.....it's not as easy as you make it out to be. Yes, they could have come up with something that looks promising, but, with out the exhaustive testing, which the government regulations that were dropped, required, no one, can be sure of it's long term effectiveness OR possible side effects. Could it cause the body to spontaneously start growing abnormal cells (cancer)? probably not, but....... Shucks, the ramifications could not show up until the next generation.....that has happened! I myself am convinced SOME were more knowledgeable on this virus, than the rest of the world, which probably gave the scientists and drug companies a head start.

dee_veloper wrote: It's clear to me the more I am forced into something, the more I resist! It's clear to me that the scientists don't always have it right. It's clear to me that Fauci, reportedly a top expert on the subject, emphatically, publicly stated masks were useless, then reversed himself. It's clear to me that I was advised by the medical folks that I didn't need to get the shot(s) because I already had it.....then reversed themselves! It's clear to me you obviously did not do your homework.  You can insult me and bully me all you wish, that won't change my mind. If one must result to such condescending methods, he likely does not have a valid argument. Information is evolving as science works it's way through the problem. Yep, and this information is developing as the testing is being conducted on the Guinee! pigs, the public  However, hundreds of millions of people having gotten their vaccines around the world and the data is more than sufficient to say the best solution is to get vaccinated.  It is NOT untested. LOL, so the testing is done after it has been employed? and the long term effects? It's clear to me you are not thinking this through.  Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. first you tell me how we know so much about this vaccine, then you tell me how much we DON'T know about this vaccine! It is clear to me...............well, never mind, Even if you have already recovered from COVID-19  it is possible—although rare—that you could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 again. Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19. Sooo, if I brought up the blood clotting issue, or some of the other issues people have experienced from the vaccine, you would counter that it is extremely rare.......but that would be different than the extremely rare contracting the virus after already having it? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html#:~:text=Yes%2C%20you%20should%20be,had%20COVID%2D19. The claim that an email from Fauci proves he knew masks were ineffective at mitigating the spread of COVID-19 is MISSING CONTEXT, based on our research humm, 'our research? who is 'our'? Is it possible you are biased?. Fauci sent the email on Feb. 5, 2020, more than a month before the World Health Organization declared COVID-19 a worldwide pandemic. The understanding about the effectiveness of masks and guidance guidance? what guidance? not only was there no official (that I am aware of) stipulation as to type of mask, but how it was to be worn! I have seen everything from womens underwear to 'train robber bandanas' worn! about wearing them evolved during the pandemic, as did Fauci’s position on their use. Now here is where you loose all creditability with me! Fauci made that statement on national television. I don't remember exactly when that happened, before or after WHO made their declaration, but that doesn't really matter we are talking basic facts here, not high end research. virus's and those stupid masks have been around for a very long time. Fauci knew then the purpose of the mask, he knew the size of the virus, and the matrix of the masks. He was speaking the truth then! https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/03/fact-check-missing-context-claim-mask-emails-fauci/7531267002/ ... From day one, there has been evidence of dishonesty in the statistics, ... We're in the midst of a global pandemic, statistics aren't perfect. well, that assessment seems to vary with whoever's ox is being gored! Over  600,000 deaths in the US and over 4 million world wide, are some pretty grim, hard,  convincing statistics. are these the perfect or less than perfect statistics?  My point is, and was the stats have been purposefully manipulated. when COVID popped up, national COD's from many other illnesses dropped dramatically. I'll grant you, under the circumstances, launching an unproved, untested vaccine may well have been necessary. And, I think there was more knowledge in some circles on this very virus than we know. Good evidence that Fauci is up to his eyeballs in the origins of this virus. We were told it came from a wet market, Fauci knew from day one that was not true! As I said before, there has been lots of foney baloney stories, 'facts', stats and misinformation on this. It's hard to sort the real from the lies, and that does concern intelligent people when making decisions. And then it gets worse when we see cover ups like your article concerning Fauci's early statement about masks! That, BTW, is the second attempt I have seen to cover up for Fauci's original mask use assessment! The first one was 'well, Fauci knew we didn't have sufficient masks for the nation, and he didn't want to alarm the public and cause mass hysteria so.......' Are we clear ? We? Oh, it's clear to me alright....I'm not sure about you

It's clear to me the more I am forced into something, the more I resist! It's clear to me that the scientists don't always have it right. It's clear to me that Fauci, reportedly a top expert on the subject, emphatically, publicly stated masks were useless, then reversed himself. It's clear to me that I was advised by the medical folks that I didn't need to get the shot(s) because I already had it.....then reversed themselves!

It's clear to me you obviously did not do your homework.  Information is evolving as science works it's way through the problem.  However, hundreds of millions of people having gotten their vaccines around the world and the data is more than sufficient to say the best solution is to get vaccinated.  It is NOT untested.

Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. Even if you have already recovered from COVID-19, it is possible—although rare—that you could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 again. Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html#:~:text=Yes%2C%20you%20should%20be,had%20COVID%2D19.

The claim that an email from Fauci proves he knew masks were ineffective at mitigating the spread of COVID-19 is MISSING CONTEXT, based on our research. Fauci sent the email on Feb. 5, 2020, more than a month before the World Health Organization declared COVID-19 a worldwide pandemic. The understanding about the effectiveness of masks and guidance about wearing them evolved during the pandemic, as did Fauci’s position on their use.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/03/fact-check-missing-context-claim-mask-emails-fauci/7531267002/

... From day one, there has been evidence of dishonesty in the statistics, ...

We're in the midst of a global pandemic, statistics aren't perfect. Over  600,000 deaths in the US and over 4 million world wide, are some pretty grim, hard,  convincing statistics.


Are we clear ?

Interesting, mention genetically modified agricultural products, food etc and people have conniption fit, but this flu shot they have no problem with

i got the shots (2) cuz my imune system is about nil. i don't wanna be like my BIL. he's still in the hosp with covid and it looks like he'll die there! he told me earlier that he wasn't gonna be a ginny pig and take the shot(s), then he contracted covid, took it home to his wife, she got it and died from it, he's been in the hospital since this spring, it's down to where he can't walk without pooping himself. yep...sure worked out for him....huh? i do get it tho...if you don't want people telling you what to do. that's a decision ya'll have to make yourselves. kinda like if gals should go on the pill or not...just take the chance.