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G-man 
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Posted: 07 May 2021 at 2:37pm |
Have a 1949 Allis G. Want to have it bead blasted and repainted. Do you recommend powder coating? Color is Persian orange, correct? Want to be period correct. What about rims? Gray? What would be cost to do a decent job? Need someone to walk me through. Located in Madison WI
Edited by G-man - 07 May 2021 at 2:41pm
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 07 May 2021 at 2:52pm |
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bead blasting or sand blasting gets things cleaned, but it can also blow "crap" into seals or bearings... watch that.... paint color is called Persian Orange 1 ... It is a pumpkin color.. PO2 is more orange ( red tint) and you see that on the later D series tractors. No powder coat.. Just a good single stage acrylic enamel with hardener... just like painting a car. .... rims were normally galvanized.. Most paint them with an aluminum type paint.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 07 May 2021 at 2:59pm |
here are some "paint" numbers...
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Posted: 07 May 2021 at 3:12pm |
little bigger than yours, but here is CHRIS WD45 with a lot of pictures on page 37- 38... Color is right.. He might have some input on the paint used.... cleaning process.
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HudCo
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Posted: 07 May 2021 at 3:16pm |
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i am not a fan of powder coat if moister gets behind the power coat it just rot all the metal away behind the coating , much easyer to repair somthing thats painted
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Posted: 07 May 2021 at 9:37pm |
Do you want it to look good from 30' away or 3' away? That is the
difference in cost! Do you want a repaint or a restoration? There IS a
difference! A repaint usually gets painted pretty quick (and it will
show) - lots of overspray, painting over dirt/oil, unpainted surfaces. A restoration involves a much more thorough process. Fixing
whatever needs fixing, replacing gaskets and seals (so they do not leak
after painting), fixing or replacing worn items, painting each part
piece by piece, new wiring and hoses, rebuilding electrical components,
recoring the rad (if needed), bodywork on sheet metal, and new tires to
top it off. Currently restoring my 49 G. It will probably take me a
year and I started in November. Don't ask me how much it costs. I just
pay the bills as they come in. It's too depressing to keep a
running total! I just remind myself that it will be worth it when it's
finished! When it costs more than the tractor itself, a lot of people get cold feet. It's a labor of love - can't make money doing it!
Everything in grey primer (including the engine), I do myself - fxing, cleaning, scraping, sanding, cursing and priming. Everything you see in orange I give to my neighbor who sandblasts and paints for me. I supply the paint - I had the local paint shop blend a PO1 color. It's an industrial enamel.
Edited by DSeries4 - 07 May 2021 at 9:38pm
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'49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080
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Posted: 08 May 2021 at 9:08am |
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Very impressed. What is the "PO1 color"? Also, where can I get the Allis Chalmers logo?
Edited by G-man - 08 May 2021 at 9:09am
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 08 May 2021 at 9:12pm |
ALLIS used 3 "orange paint" over the years.. The first from the 1930 to 1960 was Persian Orange #1. (pumpkin color).. That was for the WC, WD, 45, B, C, G...Then they changed to Persian Orange #2 ( more ORANGE color) for "most" of the D series tractors in the 1960s..... After that they changed to CORPORATE Orange, which is a lot more red in the orange.
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Persian Orange Paint
From AGCO Persian Orange #1
In the Quart Can #79014785 ---- $60 (in Canada November 2012)
In the Spray Can #79014664 ---- $14 (in Canada November 2012)
The Automotive PPG number use to be 60080 ... that is out of date, but a body shop might be able to cross reference to "new" PO1.
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Posted: 08 May 2021 at 9:15pm |
Several vendors sell decals for the tractors... These are some of the best.
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Posted: 09 May 2021 at 6:44am |
Powder coat paint is to be AVOIDED at all costs !! The only way it might work is to 100% disassemble EVERY piece from the tractor, THOROUGHLY clean(blast/degrease,wipe) then 'deburr' EVERY piece then use an INDUSTRIAL version of powdercoat that WILL bond to cast iron, steel, etc. Maybe, but don't hold your breath. I've yet to see ANY powder coated item withstand the 'test of time'. The SIMPLE act of tightening a bolt WILL 'break the bond' of the plastic to the metal,water gets in, rust forms, all that work for NOTHING..... BTW you need a BIG oven($$) and precise control of temperature($$$$$) to use powdercoat.. My preferred option is white epoxy primer then a 'single stage' auto paint. 'base/clear' only looks pretty until clear coat 'alligators'....not a problem tractor's kept inside, on blocks......
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DrAllis
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Posted: 09 May 2021 at 7:13am |
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On a running tractor that I want to repaint, I'll remove all the sheetmetal for bead blasting (not as harsh as sand), straighten, bondo, prime, sand, maybe prime again and sand and then paint. The chassis (all castings, etc) usually just gets steam cleaning, hand scraping difficult areas with brake kleen, and light hand sanding with red scotch-brite pads to scuff the old paint and then wash it again and paint on top of the old paint. Maybe spot prime bare areas as needed. Why remove good old paint that has been stuck to the castings for 50 to 75 years ??? Clean, scuff and paint !!
Edited by DrAllis - 09 May 2021 at 7:29am
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