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JohnColo 
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Posted: 15 Mar 2021 at 3:28pm |
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Ed, you've got to remember the guy who farms it now runs JD equipment so between the machinery payments and repairs, there's no money for paying rent!
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injpumpEd
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Posted: 15 Mar 2021 at 1:05pm |
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Just from what I read quick, Dale's family is trying to cheat him out of his share. Lost will? Really? Wow! What an absolute poor excuse! The longer I read, the madder I was getting! Was an interesting read over my lunch break though lol! The "chief" with the checkbook is likely lying to all the others too. Only making enough to pay the taxes? Really? I'd need to see the books! I call BS there too. Maybe so after he pays himself big $$$ to be executor. Something is definitely not right here! Lots of good advice!
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Posted: 15 Mar 2021 at 12:13pm |
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Good luck shameless and keep us informed as much as you can. Also know that we are behind you 100%
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On the farm: Agco Allis 9695, 7060, 7010, R66, Farmall H, and Farmall F20 (Great Grandpa's)
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shameless dude
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Posted: 15 Mar 2021 at 3:37am |
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Jay...that DOES sound fun! i can't print in here about some of this. spoke to my banker last week, he said if i needed anything in this to just call him. my attorney is out of town for several weeks yet...musta made some good money last year...he's across the pond drinking wine! JC...the nephew just wanted part of the farm free so he could return home and build a new house on it, no other interest other than that. he lives in England. the niece went thru $2.2 million in under a year from other inheritances, and is out of money, mom and dad having to keep putting money in her accounts to cover overdrafts. the hurt goes on and on....
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Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 1:55pm |
Shameless, you got your lunch box packed for tomorrow so you can stay all day harrassen the court house, the register of deeds and the abstract offices??? An possibly hunting for a shrewder lawyer that them other 'stockholders' have...
Sale, it seems you have a nephew that you liked cuzz he seemed to like the farm... was that because he liked the thought of capitalizing on it as his portion of inheritance? or that he might get some dirt under his fingernails?... Farm gets sold he won't have nothing but the money, what is left after his parents burn through it.
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Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 10:19am |
 Kansas99 wrote:
shameless dude wrote:
MDM....no i haven't, it appears to be a cluster **** at the court house, i will hafta go back there when i can spend more time there. appears the court house has no record of the house i live in...which has been here since 1953. the crops grown on the farm pays the taxes as most do. cept where i live, and i have to find out more on this. |
Are you saying the house isn't listed as a improvement on the ground or isn't deeded separate or both? Around here they will have to have title insurance to sell the land or no bank will ever loan money on it. A title and abstract co might be cheaper then a attorney to find your answers.
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Yeah,,Kansas,,,that sounds correct AND the more ole Shameless "Discovers" bout his kinfolk,,,the more diabolical their actions appear!! Me thinks they been plannin this over a LONG period of time with the intent to push him out of everything and they bout READY to finalize the takeover!! Them telling him they can't find the title to the farm is pure friggin preposterous. Having just recently gone thru this same worst kind of THEFT with the "Outlaws" on the Wife's side,,,I KNOW what lowlife relatives are capable of,,!! AND, once the DEED is done,,, it all over ,,,,except the Crying AND the courts do not listen to Crying,,!! To this day,,the wife still cannot BELIEVE her brother and sister done what they did to cut HER and Her children out of their Rightful inheritance and thinks,,," They WILL share" I tell her, they ain't started "sharing" in 2 1/2 years, why would they start any time soon,,,,??? Them Titles ain't got your name anywhere on them,
SO,,Shameless,,,get down to the closest Abstract Co and find out,,THEN Call an attorney!!!!!
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Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 6:36am |
shameless dude wrote:
MDM....no i haven't, it appears to be a cluster **** at the court house, i will hafta go back there when i can spend more time there. appears the court house has no record of the house i live in...which has been here since 1953. the crops grown on the farm pays the taxes as most do. cept where i live, and i have to find out more on this. |
Are you saying the house isn't listed as a improvement on the ground or isn't deeded separate or both? Around here they will have to have title insurance to sell the land or no bank will ever loan money on it. A title and abstract co might be cheaper then a attorney to find your answers.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 6:24am |
re: appears the court house has no record of the house i live in...which has
been here since 1953. the crops grown on the farm pays the taxes as
most do.
sounds real familiar... City here can't find building permit for my old shop....
wanna have FUN at Cityhall ? Tell them your lawyer's drafting up paperwork to have the City repay you 100% of ALL the taxes you paid since 1953, and accrued interest. Also NO taxes will be paid until a full forensic audit has been done by the STATE 'records' office.
Mumble 'something about ..it's incumbent upn the record department to have care and control over legal records or such....'Magically', they wil find the lost records.......
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Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 5:27am |
shameless dude wrote:
MDM....no i haven't, it appears to be a cluster **** at the court house, i will hafta go back there when i can spend more time there. appears the court house has no record of the house i live in...which has been here since 1953. the crops grown on the farm pays the taxes as most do. cept where i live, and i have to find out more on this. |
OH, OH,,!! That right there sounds like it might turn out to be a serious issue as far as establishing the "Possesion" aspect of the law,,IN YOUR favor.,,?? I'll say,again GOOD BUDDY, you should get you an attorney since "last year" Sure sounds kinda fishy that your house is not included in the Farm description, AND,,could be that taxes have NOT been paid out of the profits,,,which could be a HUGE issue,,,that was planned by them stockholders,,,!!
PLEASE Don't wait any longer and try to do this yourself,,get you an attorney, Now!! BUT,,if they do kick you off your farm,,,you can park your 5th wheel on my place,,,, 
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Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 10:03pm |
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MDM....no i haven't, it appears to be a cluster **** at the court house, i will hafta go back there when i can spend more time there. appears the court house has no record of the house i live in...which has been here since 1953. the crops grown on the farm pays the taxes as most do. cept where i live, and i have to find out more on this.
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mdm1
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Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 10:18am |
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Just out of curiosity. Have you found anything out yet? Inquiring minds you know.
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Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 9:56pm |
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How many stockholders are there ? Older or younger ? All from the city or out of state ?
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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allischalmerguy
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Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 9:55pm |
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I am sorry to hear this Shameless! I pray things get better for you.
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It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa,
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JohnColo
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Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 8:52pm |
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Dale, the visit I was thinking about was not going to be friendly.....
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Posted: 02 Mar 2021 at 10:42pm |
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It would seem strange that every ‘stockholder’ lost their copy of the will.
Even stranger yet, the probate court did not follow up with the executor, do insure all bequests in the will were fulfilled.
In some states, the executor must file reports with the court detailing the actions taken to execute to will.
Dale, I have this sinking feeling these ‘stockholders’ have deliberately screwed you royally.
How did you all get along when you were kids?
Did the others enjoy growing up on a farm?
Did your father favor certain children in regards to the farm?
Do all the ‘stockholders’ have the same father & mother?
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LouSWPA
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Posted: 02 Mar 2021 at 10:22pm |
Dale, before you go putting out good money, go to the county court house, probate office and ask to see the records of your fathers will. That should be free, or small fee. A good lawyer may come in handy, but you can do the preliminary for free yourself. While there, you could also check on the ownership of the farm, with all transactions as far back as you need to go.
I don't know much about your situation, but if you are being denied opportunity ot see the will, that smells very rotton!
I wish you luck my friend
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Posted: 02 Mar 2021 at 10:40am |
 My memory any more? That cook shack was new just months ago. Hauled in lifted up on your deck/porch? Load it back up put on the land you bought in town, for now. You did not nail it down did you. 
It always hurts to pay a blood sucker, but can pay off BIG. If you win. Good luck fighting this.
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Posted: 02 Mar 2021 at 9:26am |
shameless dude wrote:
stay away from him John...you'll only gits angry just talking with him, very unlikable fellow, one of them know it all's! he's stayed away from me mostly, so that's good. and i don't need any phone calls from him, it'll only raise my blood pressure up! hard to find any farm attorneys around here, but i do know some that they absolutly hate just because of who they are! i may hafta sell the Chevy/Allis to pay for the attorney! PffffT! |
Well,,,,,I will say this,,,,,"you done figured out how to keep me in line",,,,ain't you,,??
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Posted: 02 Mar 2021 at 2:07am |
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You got receipts on that... So they can't take your personal property from you.... unless they got a sharkster lawyer working for them.
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Posted: 02 Mar 2021 at 12:05am |
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another thing that gripes my ***, i might hafta leave my new cook shack behind! PfffffT!
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Posted: 01 Mar 2021 at 11:37pm |
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stay away from him John...you'll only gits angry just talking with him, very unlikable fellow, one of them know it all's! he's stayed away from me mostly, so that's good. and i don't need any phone calls from him, it'll only raise my blood pressure up! hard to find any farm attorneys around here, but i do know some that they absolutly hate just because of who they are! i may hafta sell the Chevy/Allis to pay for the attorney! PffffT!
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Posted: 01 Mar 2021 at 9:10pm |
One of the stockholders is a distant neighbor of me, a couple miles away, still, I may have to pay him a visit...
As a side note, after one of my dads distant cousins retired, he spent a bunch of time at the courthouse tracking down the ownership of the family farm in Ohio. Followed it from it was bought from the government in 1811 up to the last transfer a few years ago. The farm was around 170 acres at one time then the family that owned it gave each of the children 20 acres, over the years my distant family bought up most of the place then after my grandfather died in a fire, the land was split up again. My folks bought 7 acres of in in the early 1950's and sold it in 1956 when we moved to Colorado. Not only was it interesting reading but the handwriting back then was simply beautiful!
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Posted: 01 Mar 2021 at 5:09pm |
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Sad to hear of your predicament Shameless. Sounds like you have one stockholder who wants to be the Chief Operating Officer. As others have posted the will should have been Probated. I hope for you and your Loving wife everything goes for the better!
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Posted: 01 Mar 2021 at 4:38pm |
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I fully agree that you need a good sharp lawyer that will get down and dirty. One question I have not seen posed yet is "who has been paying taxes on the property since your Dad passed." In Georgia that goes a long way in establishing ownership, especially after 7 years. As for the will being lost, that is a crock of crap. Even if the original document is missing there should be copies out there. Probate should be done as soon as respectful after a person passes. Even though I was the only heir, shortly after my Dad passed I took his will to an attorney to be probated and everything transferred into my name. Is there a chance the stockholders had the will probated and "forgot" to let you know?
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Posted: 01 Mar 2021 at 11:39am |
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Hey Shameless, I'm really sorry to be hearing all this. I think the other guys have offered some pretty good advice. I would say we make pretty good farm ownership loans at the Farm Service Agency, rates this month are 2.75%, so that might be an option if you're looking to purchase more than just a few acres of the farm.
Thoughts and prayers sent your way!
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Posted: 01 Mar 2021 at 11:33am |
It pains me to say this, but if there ever was a time for mean a$$ lawyer now is when you need one Dale. The even harder part is finding one that is mean enough but will not turn around and bit you too. Praying for you to find the right people to do honest work in these legal matters.
Can you tell I am not a fan of lawyers. But there are times and places your a fool if you don't at least try to find one to handle matters. Maybe a good bluff will make the stockholder pony up the will, BUT DON"T BET ON IT. I agree with the other that think you being take for a ride.
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Posted: 01 Mar 2021 at 11:06am |
Yeah,,JC,, I do not know ole Shameless like most of ya'll do, but I do see where he is a very trusting person and while that attribute is something most people will never be, it can and will wind up hurting him, I'm afraid. When they started that BS that the will was,,"lost", that was when the dishonesty on their part started.!!! That will is NOT LOST ,,or they could have never reached any agreements with the leasing out of the farm that they did!!
I sure hope ole Shameless gets him a GOOD attorney "NOW" to represent his many years of working on his Daddy's farm cause I don't thnk them dudes are gonna be bothered too much with putting him out,,,,,
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Posted: 01 Mar 2021 at 10:12am |
DJ, I keep getting the feeling that the 'stockholders' think they should
have the most of the 'equal shares' than the one that actually stayed
and worked...
And I have the same thoughts as Farmboy does... Losing the will , they are hiding some facts. Happened close to here, in fact the daughter and s-i-l went into the old man's house and stole the will from his safe... never to be seen of again. and the brother knew what was in the will because the old man had put his 40 acres in to be with the original farm that the son had bought from him. But the sister thought the 40 acres and house should be sold for profit for themselves since they took care of the old man the last two months of his life. Where as the son had spent the last 3 years going down there and checking on him and helping him every day. And then the personal stuff started disappearing and found stuff in a grandsons garage and some other stuff at the sisters place ... The son said she could have all the stuff of their mothers but there were things that were left for the other brothers... which they didn't get because the sister got the courts to disperse it at an auction...
What is that old sayin? evil is as evil does... the s-i-l died a few years later and the sister got sick.
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Posted: 01 Mar 2021 at 9:56am |
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Just my $.02, if the executor is telling you that the will is lost then he hiding something.
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On the farm: Agco Allis 9695, 7060, 7010, R66, Farmall H, and Farmall F20 (Great Grandpa's)
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Posted: 01 Mar 2021 at 9:08am |
shameless dude wrote:
thanks everyone! this gives me a place to start investigating. the name of the farm was changed just before Dad passed and has remained under that name(s). i'm feeling a little better about all this right now...but still saddened in many ways. thanks again for helping me with this. ya'll ROCK! |
OK, Good Buddy,,,you are getting some great advise and ,,,,,,It also looks to me that you been being a "nice Guy" long enough since "they" been keeping you in the dark far too long!! UNFORTUNATELY,,,Land, Property and Relatives have always been a tri'some that spells BIG trouble for most families. Since "the stock holders have not keept you in the know, you gonna have to assume, that ain't gonna start any time soon,,,maybe not even AFTER they sell everything out from under you. IF, they were any where close to being FAIR with your interests, they would have already given you a copy of the deed and all other agreements that they have done since,,,right?
You need to hire an attorney like SOON, Please don't try to do this on your own, cause you can bet your Big Boy trk and everything else,,they are gonna have a sharp talking lawyer on their side,,!!
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