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1980’s FA 11b junk? |
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 7970 |
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Posted: 21 Nov 2020 at 5:51pm |
My brothers 71 had the P pump. Horsepower increase was no challenge.
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Lazyts
Orange Level Joined: 05 Feb 2012 Location: Manitoba Points: 627 |
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HD11s went like this:
PSB from 1955 to 1967 Roosa Master 1968-71 Robert Bosch 1971-74 Roosa Master 1975-77 -also changed oil pan and oil pump configuration at this time (discontinued early 77)
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injpumpEd
Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 4762 |
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Wouldn't any HD11 new enough to be a FiatAllis, have a Roosa/Stanadyne pump? The PSB went away in the late 60's I think. There's lots of listings in the Stanadyne Application guide with HD11's.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Lazyts
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It will all burn eventually- sometimes the "locals" will go at the windrows with their chain saws for firewood. It's probably not a good idea, with the price of carbon going up- maybe the new oil? I just do what I'm told..
I think 10K is a buy on these machines if everything still works and there's still enough undercarriage left to get some work done. I figure machine rent at 60-70 dollars per hour, so, that would be 150 hours of work, plus its still worth scrap when you are done. Things to check: Fan drive bearings (in front of injection pump- these need to be replaced every so often) Equalizer bar pin (lift the front of the tractor and see how much it slops- I use the condition of the equalizer bar to estimate hours on the machine, as the hour meter usually can't be trusted) Final drive leaks- I wouldn't worry about seepage, but if it is pouring oil that is bad. If final drive is over full oil is leaking in from steering clutches, or there is water in the housing. Run the machine and see if it will pull right away- as the transmission clutches wear it can take a long time before they will lock up. BOttom rollers- lift the machine with the blade and have a look for loose ones. I've found that the ones with the Bosch pump start best with the throttle wide open... Probably the IH blade was installed when they broke the push arms- very common on these, push arms were designed for 100 HP and 25000 pound machine, not 140 and 32000.
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HOFarm
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did yall clear all that with dozers? Very impressive. Will the keep those stumps windrowed like that or eventually burn?
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HOFarm
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what would you pay for the machine I got listed? Also thank you for your opinion. Seems like we both have the same interest. I dont mind doing a parts hunt if the initial cost is low enough. I am glad to hear a good review, appreciate it!
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Lazyts
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I've never had a chance to compare it to D6C or D6D. I work with a friend who used to have a D6H- it was definately a class higher than the 11. It was the XL model with 185 Hp- and it would haul! Now he has an older D7H, it will almost do double what the 11-B will. We tried tandem pushing but the D7 is actually faster too, and the Cats keep a steadier pace- the speed of the Allis is very dependent on load.
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SteveM C/IL
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My brother had a 71 11B. We both had ran D6C's before. The Allis would out work the Cats.
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Orangeisgreat190
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You may want to try Crane and Tractor in Columbus, Ohio. They had a huge surplus of parts for AC and FA crawlers. It has been quite a few years since I have been there, so maybe they do not have the inventory they once did. Might be worth a call to see what they have available for this machine and see parts prices from them if still available. Their number is six one four- 443- zero 5 nine 4. Hope this helps.
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Lazyts
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I saved that one from the scrapper- bought it in the fall of '17, it had spun a rod, undercarriage was completely shot, I rebuilt it with mostly used parts and put it to work the next summer. Should turn over 900 hours tomorrow, all paid custom work for neighbors and friends- I don't have any land of my own. Dad has a small farm, and has the exact same machine, we've put about 500 hours or less on that one in 8 years- his track chains still look like new. Both of these machines have paid for themselves, I tore down another unit for parts, so we do have lots of extra parts. I keep my eye out for NOS parts and buy the occasional piece I think I'll need. If I use a part from my stock, I try to replace it. I've re-powered two HD11s with N7 engines for other people.
It would be nice to have new parts available, but then again, with the price tags a guy would probably be looking used anyway... I know guys running old Cats that mostly buy used too...
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HOFarm
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looks like your using it for what id want to use it for!!
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HOFarm
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getting my hands dirty is definitely not an issue and something i enjoy with these type of machine. I am bummed about the lack of parts. I dont mind tearing into rebuilding almost anything on our pc220-3, but i have a Komatsu dealer 30 mins away and several other parts dealers local. Id love to pick this thing up cheap for our farm to reclaim more pastures with, im afraid it will become an expensive deer stand with lack of parts. However im new to AC and FA so maybe i got it wrong, maybe i should buy it. Guy down the road might sell his 77 Komatsu d65e, but for a lot more money :(
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DMiller
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All may become a moot point as our elected officials change here. EPA is set to gain a decisive if not controlling aspect to what machines are allowed to stay serviceable due to emissions levels. The 'New' camp is more entuned to CARB guidelines as to rule making for Older machinery.
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Ian Beale
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Have you suggested that to KOO? |
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Lazyts
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The black hose is my "redneck heater"- made out of misc. plumbing parts
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DMiller
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The AMBAC style did not remain on them long swapping to Inline Bosch style IIRC in 79 or 80 on the B series. Looked at a fire damaged 11B near Mexico MO a year back was a early variant or had an engine swap where was AMBAC equipped.
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Tad Wicks
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My uncle had an early B that had the International Harvester 100 series pump used on the 300 and 400 series diesel engines. |
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gemdozer
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Friend of mine should have parts for these HD11
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Steve allis dozer
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Is that your cab heater the black hose on the bonnet ?
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Lazyts
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Lazyts
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As to the carrier roller- these machines had a weakness there- shafts on the carrier rollers were too small and subject to bending in tough conditions, especially if there was mud or debris packing in the tracks to the point where the track release would be needed. There have been various mods to deal with this problem, most commonly re-working the tower to take a Cat D5 roller (heavier shaft). Sadly parts are getting scarce, but only makes it easier for the buyer to make a deal.
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Lazyts
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Now we are on my favorite topic- Allis Chalmers HD11 Series B. This is a 100 percent Allis Chalmers product- no need to think about FIAT! That one looks like a late 72 or early 73 model, judging by changes made to ROPS and front hardnose during that time. Robert Bosch injection pump, 140 HP- competed directly with Cat D6C in that time period. The best part about them has already been mentioned- extremely cheap horsepower, and if you aren't afraid to get your hands dirty, it's a match made in heaven. Might want a parts machine though...
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DMiller
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Not so much 'Junk' as Job Security maybe?
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Mactractor
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In that case, there was no need for you to use the word?
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HOFarm
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I was asking if they were junk. Maybe you failed to notice the “?” on this thread. Notice most the discussion is about parts and how hard they are to find. I think we have addressed only that. Pretty sure no one has come out and said they were/are junk.
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DMiller
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Sorry Mac as to being negative on here, but dealt with close to eight years of fussing, floundering, modifying pieces and parts salvaging used stuff where the stockpiles are dwindling here. Rails Rollers, pins bushings and other hard parts are just becoming non existent in the states. Can have pieces freighted in from Asia or EU or even AU but cost prohibitive as rates are near as much as components and the machines that use them failing across the country to be scrapped rather than salvaged as rode out slick.
No Fuel injection pieces for AMBAC PSB, tender old systems that are becoming ever more age frail do fail and no place to acquire adequate pieces to fix here. I have been educated to pick my battles, with FA in the US is a problem Orphan anymore.
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Mactractor
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You will be tearing down the Cat to do major servicing just as you would with any brand of crawler, so make sure you get all the specialized hydraulic pullers necessary to that with Cat tractors unless you want to pay the Cat agent techs to do it for you. You don't need all that tooling to service the Allis tractor. You will learn from expense and experience that the tractor you photographed is not 'JUNK' at all. There are a number of us on here that run them, and we did not arrive with the last shower of rain. We have many thousands of hours both running and wrenching on crawlers. I think you picked the wrong forum to use the word junk with them. Go back to the forum that told you they were junk, and get 'expert' advise there on what you should buy.
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DMiller
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Almost bigger D6C to 11B
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Eric B
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[QUOTE=farmtoybuilder]Buy a Cat if you have work to do! and parts are available!
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Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal!
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HOFarm
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i agree now. Done some more research on these FA’s and im thinking they are a head ache. Would a d6 be about the same size as a 11B?
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