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Dave, Folks,
Yea the additional hole in the wall worked well all day yesterday. I think its a keeper. I worked on putting up the remaining wood that I had bought a couple days ago. Neighbor said wood prices are back down at the big box stores. That's a good thing! I probably need another batch of 2 x 4's for additional framing in the bathroom area.  Also a little more work above the center of the small overhead door for the hardware to mount. 
Trying to decide if the area under the stairs can be utilized to hold more junk, I mean stuff!Smile Access could be from the bathroom or from the Z1 area where the big sink might go?
Nic is scheduled to start wiring today. I am going to put in four sofit lights in each eave. These will light the door ways and provide some decorative lighting to match the HOA requirements too!Wink

Weather is cool and drizzly today. Hope things are good in Orange land!

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When ya got to go, ya got to go!  Not look for the door! Or ya might have a clean-up on the floor! LOL

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yeesh, best be sitting down when looking at copper ML weathervanes !! Quik google, entry level ones are $500 USD !!!! I'm thinking I need to startup a business !
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Jay,
Thanks for all the suggestions! I do like the maple weather-vane idea! Yes I am happy with how it is starting to fit in to the neighborhood. Also really nice to have a place to work on the remaining portions of the building too!
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that's a neat picture of the buildings you have to be HAPPY....
hmm.
cupola... gotta get a cupola and a Mapleleaf weathervane on 'our' new garage...

oh yeah SOLID blocking supports for the handrails up to my loft, seeing how the elevator's not installed , yet.....

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Folks,
All the eggs in one basket! Yes I do understand that. Another reason I had my insurance guy come to the shop and take a look and review the numbers on the coverage's. Replacement value looks to be adequate and the equipment is now covered under the homeowners policy. Was a inland marine policy. Yes I agree that two building would be ideal. 
The stairs. Wife checked out the loft area ans was pleased. So I guess we have approval to keep going!:)

Today was demo day in the shop! Yep haven't even got it done and started tearing things apart. I had a problem with not having a door near the bathroom. (North east corner of Z1. I have felt this might be the highest traffic flow in the building. So I just cut in a new doorway. Still leaves me 12 + feet of wall space on that east wall. It also solves the issue of windows in that wall. If I get doors with glass in them I then have windows! I may leave the other walk door at the south east corner for a while and see how it is utilized too.

Some framing to get the feel:

A sawzall and a few cuts to remove the sill, Added another anchor screw  through the Pressure treated sill, into the floor for the short wall section.

Walked over to check on the neighbors progress and took this on the way back.

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Top notch!

I went back and re-read what caused me to mention the rise, realize I think I misinterpreted - quantity of 12 steps at a 7" rise :)

Can't wait for the next update!
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If you are planning on something big for storage and shop, at least partition off your shop area, so you don’t have to heat the whole building. The more comfortable you can make your shop area, the better your maintenance program will be. You are more likely to service that tractor if you have a nice place to do it.

On that same note, I wouldn’t want to have a big building with the shop and storage all together. If you have a fire or other natural disaster, I don’t want all my eggs in one basket. I’ve got a shop and several smaller storage sheds, that way if a fire or something happens I don’t loose everything I own.
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NICE, 'stairway to heaven'....
I know the elevator will be on next year's list , hehehe

I'm stuck playing 'real Life tetris' in my garage as I can't get a contractor to even come out/price the 2nd floor addition, sigh.... winter's going to be very long and boring....
please keep posting pix...

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Folks,
 Yes many ways to do stairs! These are now done and I will try to post some pictures of the process. Of course I always do things the hard way so I built these from the top down! Yep goofy right? well it actually worked out good. I laid down a tread and then brought the riser up to it.  Found my dimensional difference and compensated for it at the top. All the treads and risers were cut at 36-5/8 long.
The center stringer ties it all together nicely. Yep a lot of cuts. More work too. Slow and careful layout and cutting. The final fit up went very smooth.

The 1 x 10 on the sides should allow what ever wall covering I choose to meet at this edge.

Top step:

The riser had a gap at the bottom and worked good to apply glue on the top and bring it up to meet the tread above:

Coming down, These seem to be a good comfortable set of stairs. Sorry about the lack of elevator Jay!

Applied construction adhesive to all the joints and then used torx screws to secure the parts. 

Did get a good lunch with my brother and several naps in the woods at dusk:

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looks like a lotta sawing on them runners!,, I'm no Bob Villa carpenter either,,, I would have nailed/screwed a 2X4 to the runners where the steps go (and keeping the full strength of the 2X12)  instead of all that notching,, yea, it looks a lot more professional,, but the simpler I can keep things, the better...
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Good work on the stairs Chris, you'll get there. I am not a carpenter or woodworker at all but have contemplated building stairs. Figuring all the geometry required interested me. Making all the cuts straight and square would probably be my downfall!
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hmm.. did I mention I wanted an ELEVATOR to MY loft ?????
guess you lost that memo !!

hehehe

BTW it's cheaper to buy a complete LED shoplight than an electronic ballast for 2 T8s....
yeesh.
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Have set stair stringers several times, biggest issue was getting run/rise correct where would have same depth of steps all the way up and a similar step off the top step to top platform.

Is not so bad really.  Back Block the stringers as a Assembly after set them is fastest way to square them, set a Jack wall from 1/3-1/2 of the Overall length installed and they will not trampoline bounce.
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Strokendiesel002, Folks,
Building a good set of steps can be a challenge for sure. I guess I have built a half a dozen in a life time, which is not many compared to lots of real carpenters!  I am going to have another look at the width dimension and try to compensate if I can. I thought I had it measured several times but really was relying on the truss being straight and the wall I built being plumb. So things are starting to get "fixed" into position, and the changes will have to be adjustments at the top of the opening. Which actually should be easier, if that is where I find the issue. Yes would like to have these just a little closer. Actual stair tread width will be 36-1/2 inches. Would have liked to have 4 foot wide stairs but did not plan well enough.

On the rise/run dimensions. I try to be close to the magic number of the rise plus the run equals 17 inches. Just a old rule of thumb. So I have 7.7 rise plus 9 run = 16.7 or almost 17. :) Should be a comfortable set of steps. The 12 inch tread, well we will see how that feels too. I always go cheap and use 2 x 10's. 

Today is the last day of PA archery season. I may get out this P.M.. Rhett and I scampered out back on the neighbors property last night, but it was way to windy for any deer to move.


The sunset was worth the walk! Nice to see these little men get excited about being in the woodlot.

Back on the shop. I really have enjoyed the space to do a project like these stairs! Nice smooth floor and room to spin these 18 foot 2 x 12 stringers in the room too. Which happened several times.
I have walls to finish adding the girts and the 9x8 OH door to frame out yet. That and the stairs should keep me out of trouble for several hours! The stairs were a request of the electrician too. That will allow us to get up into the high bay area easier for wiring in lights and things. May make provisions for a couple ceiling fans too?

This walk door between Z1 and Z2 still has me guessing. Not sure that most of my travels wont be across the end of the wall close tot he bath room? I will be going to check on things in the bath/ utility room a lot! and my walk door is on the other end of that wall? Humm?

Regards,
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Looking good Chris!

When you say the top is 1/2" wider... Could you not kick the bottom out by 1/2" ?

I admire your ambition to make your own stairs. Not an easy task! I seem to think here 8" rise is the standard/ code, but that'd really stretch them out I imagine
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Folks,
 The stairs have had me in a head lock for days. A carpenter I am not! They would not have fooled around with this stuff like I have. So far the stairs are coming out OK. I did find that the top is 1/2 inch wider than the bottom. That should make it even more fun!
The stringers for the steps are in place.
May get some steps and risers in place tomorrow. Would like to hunt a couple hours also.
Picked up another small load of lumber. Seems to be going somewhere in there!

Stringers were in and out of position several times, noodling things out.

Some cuts

Used some additional layout and simple guide pieces clamped down to do the final outside stringers. I did not like doing them by hand, I am not that steady!


I attempeted to add some 1 x 10 to the outside stringers so that a finished wall could meet with this board. Will see how that works out?


I had forgot how much work is in building stairs! 
Not sure why these pictures are yellow must be that light at night?

Regards,
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Chris,
     It's all looking good. Always enjoy seeing your progress and I often learn something too. Lots of figuring to do on those stairs. Hope you get your heat soon.
     Maybe in your spare time you could hire out as a carpentry consultant. Oh, when IS your spare time?
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Folks,
 Those were not very good pictures! The lighting was not good. This is kind of like fishing: throw out some bait (pictures) Set back and wait for the bobber to wiggle a little. Maybe a big fish takes it deep maybe some little ones just nibble on the worm and tease you. 
Still fishin' !Smile I need to get off the couch and do something! Burning daylight! Now where is that new lure??
Hoping to get info on insulation final estimate, started on electrical, interior walls framed, and cost estimate on boiler system, yet this week. 
Before we know it it will be syrup season (mid Jan to mid April) and everything goes on hold for 8-12 weeks!
Did have something unusual to report on the leaf guard system. We had slushy wet snow the other day, some of the water from the slush melting on the roof and gutter ran over top of the leaf guard and down the outside of the gutters. I had not seen that coming. Probably wont happen often? But I didnt like water dripping down my neck on the eave sides of the building! Humm?
I feel a nibble!Smile
Thanks for checking in on the old man with the orange tractors!
(still need to get that propane fork lift running too!)
Stairs today, and getting more lumber. 2x4's. I feel like a kid building a tree house! Juts keep throwing sticks up!
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Folks,
 Cold in the shop! Keep trying to do some things to allow the electrical to begin this weekend.
Layout of the three stringers for the stairs to the loft. 17 steps 11'-0 1/8" total rise, 12'-7" total run. Stairs will be about 38 inches wide. They will impose on the bathroom area. leaving about 6 foot of head room at the head. 
Started the lay out by calculating the length from point of step to point of step x 17 and then used the tape at a angle intersecting this length and marked off at each 12 inch mark. making 16 even spaces. No cumulative error this way. 

Then set up my rube goldberg fancy dancy stair layer outer tool. This worked good because you dont have to line up a mark on the edge. The marks from the previous layout stair points are used to position the next tread, riser marks. (at the point of the pencil) 
A piece of angle strut, a large square, a small square, and two clamps.
9 inch run, 7.79 rise. Will use 2 x 12 for the tread, and 2 x 8 for the riser:

A little busy and dark, but the first prototype was cut on just the ends and set up for display.
 Found that the floor was sloped in width of the stairs about 5/8 inch. Lucky I cut the first one long:

Upper end un finished (cut long to start):

 Will also cut a notch to allow a Pressure treated cleat to be mounted to the concrete, keeping the stringers off the floor just a smidge.

So will adjust the bottoms of each stringer to be level when complete:

Lots of small moves. Thanks for checking in on me!

Regards,
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Tom,
 That sounds like a good system.
I had a chance to stop and clean up in the shop just a little. Put some lumber and items up in the "never to come down" loft area!  Moved some things around.

The in floor heat is sounding real good when its 35 in the shop! Called local company to get a quote on a boilier and plumbing system.

Trying to lay out the cuts for the stairs. Have to stop and take some time on this.

The risers and treads waiting:

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Folks,
 Thanks for the comments. I have not finished much drywall. So would have things to learn there for sure.
The spray foam Is double the cost. But I do understand that when done properly you have a ultra tight leak free building too. 
Worked on framing for interior walls today. lots of little moves to have nailers in joint/ corner areas. Not sure if I am making any progress!
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The PO put drywall in my garage and them taped and mudded it all.  All the mud over the screws and the tape has been coming down for a couple years now.  The garage has no heat so it should never been done. 

When I did the basement where I lived at one time, I set the drywall on pieces of 1 x 4 on the floor.  Then I got the larger trim to cover it up!  I took the 1 x 4's out and used them on the next sheet.

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plummerscarin,
Thanks for the info. I see there is 1/2 inch that is 25% lighter in weight too. More research to do. 
Weather is colder and a skiff of wet snow today.
 Aren't the toys supposed to be inside?

made some room for the WD

Shop temp with no heat!

View from the bathroom under the stairs that are not there yet!

View at the proposed 12 foot sliding door opening framed in just in front of the truck. 

Looking back the other way this is the 6+ foot wall for the proposed sliding barn type door half to slide past. Leaving a 12 foot door between the areas in Z2. This could be closed off where my truck sets. Maybe for special projects, or restrict traffic flow?

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There is 1/2” drywall available rated for ceiling on 2ft center. I used it in my shop. Held it a half inch off the concrete to prevent wicking moisture into the gypsum. Vertical seams, tape the joints and one coat over the screws then paint. A couple screws have since protruded from the wall likely from not being tight to begin with. And tape has lifted in a couple spots. Probably installer error as well as humidity. I did lid the ceiling in tin as I acquired that for free. I sometimes wonder if finishing the interior in tin makes it louder in there when doing noisy jobs.
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John,
 Thanks for the suggestion. Any pictures?
 I am seriously considering drywall as a option too! I have just over 10 foot walls so 10 foot dry wall sheets hung vertically would have minimal waste. Current price is good. as mentioned fire proof. 
Not sure about the gap at the bottom of the drywall? I don't think I would want it to go all the way down to the concrete. Seems like something more waterproof would be good at the bottom? Maybe just something like a trim board? That Azack (sp?) stuff might be the ticket, but kind of pricey! Also not sure I want any wall covering to go to the concrete in case any movement of building or concrete might happen. That would not be good. 
I might need to consider 5/8 thick drywall since the wall girts are on 2 foot centers horizontal.
Sure would make a nice clean finished look and as you mentioned could be painted as desired too suit.
Humm?Smile My daughter just finished doing her garage. Maybe I could get her to do this little shop too?
I have heard some folks say to wait some time so that the building has time to settle, then apply drywall??  Thats kind of why I was leaning towards some materials that wer not prone to cracking. Anyway I am nowhere near being ready for wall covering.  
My neighbor is installing drywall in his addition and garage. I may stop over and try to learn some things. Helped him a few minutes last night. 
We have our second snow of the year. Must get off the couch and out there to try to do something! Still lots of moves to make to have the interior walls roughed in. 
Humm Drywall would not have required me to girt these interior walls. Could have just studded them. Well into it now, will continue on this path.
Will try to get some pictures. Have a tractor to get inside the shop too!
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 Chris
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I used drywall on my shop.  It's fairly cheap and easy to install and it doesn't burn or catch fire like wood.  You can paint it any color you want.  My shop is white as it makes it brighter at night.
I keep going  back to your first post around April 9th, talking about maybe building a shop, what great progress in the last 8 months!

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Jay wants it all! Sounds really nice too. I will have to consider some of those features!
Thanks for the suggestions!Smile You have hung in there and provided good input through this whole event!
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