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Dad has what "should" be 5000 bushels in the bin due to the depth(24x 6 1/2 ring) but this season the TW is only 54.5 TW and 14.5% moisture after a sample was ran through the local elevators tester. What is the "realistic" bushels in the bin?  Thanks
 
 
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I never been real good at 'rithmatic, figger it out for yourself...Wink


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Corn Grain Test Weight

R.L. (Bob) Nielsen
Agronomy Dept., Purdue Univ.
West Lafayette, IN 47907-2054
Email address: rnielsen at purdue.edu
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Among the top 10 most discussed (and cussed) topics at the Chat 'n Chew Cafe during corn harvest season is the grain test weight being reported from corn fields in the neighborhood. Test weight is measured in the U.S. in terms of pounds of grain per volumetric "Winchester" bushel. In practice, test weight measurements are based on the weight of grain that fills a quart container (37.24 qts to a bushel) that meets the specifications of the USDA-FGIS (GIPSA) for official inspection (Fig. 1). Certain electronic moisture meters, like the Dickey-John GAC, estimate test weight based on a smaller-volume cup. These test weight estimates are reasonably accurate but are not accepted for official grain trading purposes.

The official minimum allowable test weight in the U.S. for No. 1 yellow corn is 56 lbs/bu and for No. 2 yellow corn is 54 lbs/bu (USDA-GIPSA, 1996). Corn grain in the U.S. is marketed on the basis of a 56-lb "bushel" regardless of test weight. Even though grain moisture is not part of the U.S. standards for corn, grain buyers pay on the basis of "dry" bushels (15 to 15.5% grain moisture content) or discount the market price to account for the drying expenses they expect to incur handling wetter corn grain.

Growers worry about low test weight because local grain buyers often discount their market bids for low test weight grain. In addition, growers are naturally disappointed when they deliver a 1000 bushel (volumetric bushels, that is) semi-load of grain that averages 52-lb test weight because they only get paid for 929 56-lb "market" bushels (52,000 lbs ÷ 56 lbs/bu) PLUS they receive a discounted price for the low test weight grain. On the other hand, high test weight grain makes growers feel good when they deliver a 1000 bushel semi-load of grain that averages 60 lb test weight because they will get paid for 1071 56-lb "market" bushels (60,000 lbs ÷ 56 lbs/bu).

These emotions encourage the belief that high test weight grain (lbs of dry matter per volumetric bushel) is associated with high grain yields (lbs. of dry matter per acre) and vice versa. However, there is little evidence in the research literature that grain test weight is strongly related to grain yield.

Hybrid variability exists for grain test weight, but does not automatically correspond to differences in genetic yield potential. Grain test weight for a given hybrid often varies from field to field or year to year, but does not automatically correspond to the overall yield level of an environment.

Similarly, grain from high yielding fields does not necessarily have higher test weight than that from lower yielding fields. In fact, test weight of grain harvested from severely stressed fields is occasionally higher than that of grain from non-stressed fields, as evidenced in Fig. 2 for 27 corn hybrids grown at 3 locations with widely varying yield levels in Kansas in 2011. Another example from Ohio with 22 hybrids grown in common in the drought year of 2012 and the much better yielding year of 2013 also indicated no relationship between yield level and grain test weight (Fig. 3).

Conventional dogma suggests that low test weight corn grain decreases the processing efficiency and quality of processed end-use products like corn starch (U.S. Grains Council, 2018), although the research literature does not consistently support this belief. Similarly, low test corn grain is often thought to be inferior for animal feed quality, although again the research literature does not support this belief (Rusche, 2012Simpson, 2000Wiechenthal Pas et al., 1998). Whether or not low test weight grain is inferior to higher test weight grain may depend on the cause of the low test weight in the first place.

Common Causes of Low Grain Test Weight

During the 2009 corn harvest season in Indiana (late crop maturation, late harvest), there were more reports of low test weight corn grain than good or above average test weights. There were primarily six factors that accounted for most of the low test weight grain in 2009 and four shared a common overarching effect.

Grain Moisture

First and foremost, growers should understand that test weight and grain moisture are inversely related. The higher the grain moisture, the lower the test weight AT THAT POINT IN TIME. As grain dries in the field or in the dryer, test weight naturally increases as long as kernel integrity remains intact. Test weight increases as grain dries partly because kernel volume tends to shrink with drying and so more kernels pack into a volume bushel and partly because drier grain is slicker which tends to encourage kernels to pack more tightly in a volume bushel. Therefore in a year like 2009 with many of the initial harvest reports of grain moisture ranging from 25 to 30% instead of the usual starting moisture levels of about 20 to 23%, it should not be surprising that test weights were lower than expected.

Hellevang (1995) offered a simple formula for estimating the increase in test weight with grain drying. In its simplest form, the equation is (A / B) x C; where A = 100 - dry moisture content, B = 100 - wet moisture content, and C = test weight at wet moisture content. The author does not say, but I suspect this simple formula is most applicable within a "normal" range of harvest moistures; up to moistures in the mid- to high 20's.

Example: Dry moisture = 15%, Wet moisture = 25%, Test weight at 25% = 52 lbs/bu.

Estimated test weight at 15% moisture = ((100 - 15) / (100 - 25)) x 52 = (85/75) x 52 = 58.9 lbs/bu

 

An older reference (Hall & Hill, 1974) offers an alternative suggestion for adjusting test weight for harvest moisture that also accounts for the level of kernel damage in the harvested grain (Table 1). The table values are based on the premise that kernel damage itself lowers test weight to begin with and that further drying of damaged grain results in less of an increase in test weight that what occurs in undamaged grain. Compared to the results from using Hellevang's simple formula, adjustments to test weight using these tabular values tend to result in smaller adjustments to test weight for high moisture grain at harvest, but larger adjustments for drier grain at harvest.

Test weight adjustments with grain moisture

Stress During Grain Fill

Secondly, thirdly, and fourthly; drought stress, late-season foliar leaf diseases (primarily gray leaf spot and northern corn leaf blight), and below normal temperatures throughout September of 2009 all resulted in a significant deterioration of the crop's photosynthetic machinery beginning in early to mid-September that "pulled the rug out from beneath" the successful completion of the grain filling period in some fields; resulting in less than optimum starch deposition in the kernels. Fifthly, early October frost/freeze damage to late-developing, immature fields resulted in leaf or whole plant death that effectively put an end to the grain-filling process with the same negative effect on test weight.

Ear Rots

Finally, ear rots (diplodia, gibberella, etc.) were widespread throughout many areas of Indiana in 2009. Kernel damage by these fungal pathogens results in light-weight, chaffy grain that also results in low test weight diseased grain, broken kernels, and excessive levels of foreign material. This cause of low test weight grain obviously results in inferior (if not toxic) animal feed quality grain, unacceptable end-use processing consequences (ethanol yield, DDGS quality, starch yield and quality, etc.), and difficulties in storing the damaged grain without further deterioration.

Related reading

Bern, Carl and Thomas Brumm. 2009. Grain Test Weight Deception. Iowa State Extension Publication PMR-1005. http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/PMR1005.pdf. [URL accessed Sep 2018].

Bradley, Carl. 2009. Diplodia Ear Rot Causing Problems in Corn Across the State. The Bulletin, Univ of Illinois Extension. http://ipm.illinois.edu/bulletin/article.php?id=1233. [URL accessed Sep 2018].

Hall, Glenn and Lowell Hill. 1974. Test Weight Adjustment Based on Moisture Content and Mechanical Damage of Corn Kernels. Trans. ASAE 17:578-579.

Hellevang, Kenneth. 1995. Grain Moisture Content Effects and Management. North Dakota State Extension Publication AE-905. http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/extension-aben/documents/ae905.pdf. [URL accessed Sep 2018].

Hicks, D.R. 2004. Corn Test Weight Changes During Drying. Minnesota Crop News, Univ Minnesota Extension. http://blog-crop-news.extension.umn.edu/2004/09/corn-test-weight-changes-during-drying.html [URL accessed Sep 2018]

Hicks, D.R. and H.A. Cloud. 1991. Calculating Grain Weight Shrinkage in Corn Due to Mechanical Drying. Purdue Extension Publication NCH-61 http://www.ces.purdue.edu/extmedia/nch/nch-61.html [URL accessed Sep 2018].

Hill, Lowell D. 1990. Grain Grades and Standards: Historical Issues Shaping the Future. Univ. of Illinois Press, Champaign, IL.

Hurburgh, Charles and Roger Elmore. 2008. Corn Quality Issues in 2008 - Moisture and Test Weight. Integrated Crop Management News, Iowa State Univ. Extension. https://crops.extension.iastate.edu/cropnews/2008/10/corn-quality-issues-2008-moisture-and-test-weight. [URL accessed Sep 2018].

Hurburgh, Charles and Roger Elmore. 2008. Corn Quality Issues in 2008 – Storage Management. Integrated Crop Management News, Iowa State Univ. Extension. https://crops.extension.iastate.edu/cropnews/2008/10/corn-quality-issues-2008-�-storage-management. [URL accessed Sep 2018].

Lingenfelser, Jane (sr. author). 2011. Kansas Crop Performance Tests with Corn Hybrids (SRP1055). Kansas State University Agricultural Experiment Station and Cooperative Extension Service, Kansas State Univ.

Nafziger, Emerson. 2003. Test Weight and Yield: A Connection? The Bulletin, Univ of Illinois Extension. http://ipm.illinois.edu/bulletin/pastpest/articles/200323h.html. [URL accessed Sep 2018].

Rankin, Mike. 2009. Understanding Corn Test Weight. Univ Wisconsin Extension. https://fyi.uwex.edu/grain/files/2009/12/CornTW09.pdf. [URL accessed Sep 2018]

Rusche, Warren. 2012. Feeding Value of Light-Test Weight Corn. iGrow, South Dakota State Univ Extension. http://igrow.org/livestock/beef/feeding-value-of-light-test-weight-corn [URL accessed Sep 2018]

Simpson, Greg. 2000. Summary of Research on Feeding Low Test Weight Corn to Pigs. Ontario Ministry of Ag, Food, and Rural Affairs. http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/livestock/swine/facts/info_n_summary.htm [URL accessed Sep 2018]

USDA-GIPSA. United States Standards for Corn. 1996. Subpart D of "U.S. Standards", USDA Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards Administration (GIPSA). http://www.gipsa.usda.gov/fgis/standards/810corn.pdf. [URL accessed Sep 2018].

USDA-GIPSA. Test Weight per Bushel. 2006. Corn Grading Tutorial. USDA Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards Administration (GIPSA). https://aglearn.usda.gov/customcontent/GIPSA-COMMOD/CORN/corn_grading_main_p033.htm. [URL accessed Sep 2018].

U.S. Grains Council. 2018. Corn Export Cargo Quality Report 2017/2018. https://grains.org/corn_report/corn-export-cargo-quality-report-2017-2018/4/ [URL accessed Sep 2018]

Weichenthal Pas, B.A., I.G. Rush, B.G. Van Pelt, A.D. Howes, and J.R. Males. 1998. Light-Test Weight Corn for Growing and Finishing Steers. The Professional Animal Scientist, Vol. 14, Issue 2, pp. 114-117. Elsevier, Inc. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1080744615318040 [URL accessed Sep 2018]

Woloshuk, Charles and Kiersten Wise. 2009. Diplodia Ear Rot. Purdue Extension Publication #BP-75-W. https://www.extension.purdue.edu/extmedia/BP/BP-75-W.pdf. [URL accessed Sep 2018].

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Is the bin flat,core pulled down or a peak? With a peak oon a 24' diameter bin it should be 4.8 feet giving you 6,888 bushels.Without the peak 6,304bu.With the core pulled down 5,721.8.I used my Grain Calculator app on my phone and the figures in your post if your rings are standard 32".
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Thanks, that's my dilemma, MATH!! LOL!!!
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I always didn't like math but have found tools to help me get the answers! They wouldn't let me take typing,too many girls in the class and I might be disruptive!
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Originally posted by klinemar klinemar wrote:

Is the bin flat,core pulled down or a peak? With a peak oon a 24' diameter bin it should be 4.8 feet giving you 6,888 bushels.Without the peak 6,304bu.With the core pulled down 5,721.8.I used my Grain Calculator app on my phone and the figures in your post if your rings are standard 32".
Completely flat(stirator) but is only 5.5 rings deep out of a 7 ring bin but the stirator takes a 1/2ring away from the "total" capacity. Yes, 32" rings; Thank you
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My App calculates 5,320.9 bushels.
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I was told by an elevator dude to take the width times the height times the width again to get the bu amount for a grain bin. I had a round bin, and used that formula and after filling the bin and emptying it, it gave me the right bushels that the formula told me it should be.
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You won't know for sure until you haul it to the elevator and weigh it.  Then you'll know.  Until then use whoever's guess is the one you like best.  But be careful on making any big decisions until you KNOW what you have to sell.
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Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

I was told by an elevator dude to take the width times the height times the width again to get the bu amount for a grain bin. I had a round bin, and used that formula and after filling the bin and emptying it, it gave me the right bushels that the formula told me it should be.
Well, that's the volume of a box.  Minus some volume because it's a round can, and not a box, but add some volume if it's fresh off the auger and in a peak, it's probably a reasonably close guess.  No consideration for test weight or moisture.  All of those things take it right down to the accurate penny.  Depends on what sort of estimate one wants I suppose.
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Originally posted by Brian F(IL) Brian F(IL) wrote:

You won't know for sure until you haul it to the elevator and weigh it.  Then you'll know.  Until then use whoever's guess is the one you like best.  But be careful on making any big decisions until you KNOW what you have to sell.
That's the issue, I am "pretty" sure how many "ring heights" of bushels in the bin, but the TW has me concerned as far as contracted bushels (cash $$, NOT "forwarded"). 4 years ago dad got burnt by being 680 bushels short of what we "thought" we had in  the bin Cry, after he committed to "X" $/bushel, the market jumped 40 cents Confused . Thanks guys, I understand this is a "loaded" question. Have a safe planting season Wink !!


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To properly measure a bin many factors are involved. Test wieght,moisture pack factor. Weighing over scales is the ultimate measurement.Michigan Elevators that buy and sell grain have to be measured and account for grain stored on hand by State Grain Inspectors under law. I remember two local Elevators back in the 70's that contracted grain and sold the grain under storage to save their Ass when the contracts were called in and they did not have grain to cover. One patron was our local State Senator who quickly got the law passed so the State would help bail the farmers out including our local Senator! Part of the law was Grain Inspection to see how much was stored.
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Here is a Grain Bin Worksheet. You still need the Test Weight, Moisture and Pack Factors. These are what is established by USDA. Elevators use their own moisture and test weight factors that you see on your load ticket and settlement sheet.
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Hot Link the original workable web page.
 
 
 
This may help.
 
 
The Grain Bin/Bushel Calculator can easily be used to determine the number of bushels being stored in a bin.  You will need to know: circumference (if bin is round), length and width (if bin is rectangular), grain height, grain peak height and actual test weight of the commodity.


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FREEDGUY, your test weight of 54.5 is not too far off from 56 per bushel “standard”. All other factors being ok, you should be able to get a close estimate.
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Set a price on 4000 bushel and take your chances on whatever is left, in the case from 4 years ago you would have came out ahead on the extra that you didn't have priced. The only other way is if you are a regular customer at an elevator and you are hauling in the grain and you tell them you are getting to the bottom of the bin they may give you an open contract to set the price on the last load whatever the bushels are.
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As dry as this country is grain moisture was never talked about Winkuntil people started putting the garden hose in into the augur when loading grain.LOL But they where just trying to cut down how much dust Wink was blowing.LOL

The west coast always prices grain by the hundred weight Wink with a standard weight per bushel,Wink of course with a discount for being to lite. Wink And never a bonus for heavier.LOL And you can beat your last dollar the elevator operators know which bin has the heavy stuff.Wink And know just how much to mix with the lite stuff,LOL to end up with the trade standard.LOL
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