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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 11:07am |
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Hello Everyone,
New member here. Looking for a tractor recommendation to do a few things around our land. We have 6 acres and looking to mow, move snow and remove a pallet of 1 ton of pellets out of a truck and into a garage. I'm looking at the WDs and the D series tractors with a wide front and a loader. I can get a mower anywhere, if it doesn't have one, but I am looking at getting one with the loader already attached. I'm not looking at spending a lot of money as this will be a low use tractor. The problem is, here in Colorado, everything is more expensive, and low availability. Your recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
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victoryallis
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 11:23am |
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By the time you find a GOOD D17 you might be getting close to the price of a 6000 series. Most D series have marginal hydraulics.
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 11:32am |
There are a couple WD's on Craigslist in the Denver area, also was a D17 with a loader but don't know if it's still listed.
By the way, welcome to the Forum!
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 11:37am |
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Id never get a D SERIES, PLENTY OF 180- 190,S out there that have so much better hydraulics than them ,,
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 11:48am |
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Moving snow in Colorado could be a big task. Myself, I would prefer a 185 diesel. I like the heavier tractor when using a loader with a wide bucket, so D17 would still be good. 185 little bit more modern and very versatile for all of your jobs. No matter what old tractor you get, it is a crap shoot to keep it running, so good luck. I bought a good tractor and shipped it 1,000 miles so don't be afraid of finding a good deal and get it shipped to you. It is hard to find stuff around you when you want it.
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 11:59am |
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Id never get a D SERIES, PLENTY OF 180- 190,S out there that have so much better hydraulics than them ,, |
I got 3 6080’s, a D17, and a 175 the 175 is my least favorite by a long shot. Not sure how Allis went backwards on design with the 100’s. 6070 or 6080 are much nicer.
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 12:15pm |
Sinbad, Welcome! I think your about fight on your list. The D series in the newer styles had improved hydraulics I believe. So a D15 with a loader and three point might work good for you too! Good luck with your search! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 12:41pm |
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Thank you for the recommendations. I have found a D14 with a Utility loader for $3k with good rubber. I'm considering that. My only concern is being able to move 2000 lbs. of wood pellets on a pallet. I'm not real worried about moving snow or mowing. Those are the "time to myself" chores that I can take my time on.
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 12:47pm |
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 1:34pm |
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A D14 doesn't have the hydraulics to lift a 2000# pallet with the loader.
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Sinbad
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 1:54pm |
Lonn wrote:
A D14 doesn't have the hydraulics to lift a 2000# pallet with the loader.
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What would be a better option to do that?
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 2:12pm |
AFIC, The D14 is ideal for your first two tasks. I have 5 acres and it was well fitted to mowing it with a 6' finish mower. Get a Woods rear discharge, or whatever you get make sure it's a rear discharge. You could build a front blade for it or put one on a trip bucket loader frame. You could use a rear blade, but it gets old, real quick, turning half way around to watch what you are doing. A blower is another option except for the same turning around thing. I don't think any D series tractor except maybe the D19 is capable of lifting the pallet. If you are on a hard surface, buy a forklift. If you are not, buy an all terrain forklift. There is an AC one in the auction mentioned in a previous post and it's in your area. In my opinion the 100 series and above are excessive for mowing. Especially if you have trees and buildings to navigate around.
I.M.H.O. You are not going to find one tractor, alone, that fits the three tasks you want to do.
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 2:24pm |
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Thanks John. I figured that I wouldn't be able to do everything I want. The pallet lifting would be only a couple times in the winter. I would plan on adding a couple of forklift arms to the bucket and lift the pallet. I could remove half of the bags to lower weight and that would be a little less work on the old back. I would think that a WD or D would be able to lift 1k lbs without too much effort, and I wouldn't be going to far. I will look for the rear discharge on the mower. Not a fan of turning around with a blade or snow blower, so I agree with you there.
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 2:26pm |
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If the D14 had a front mounted pump then it might lift that weight.
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 2:30pm |
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Lonn,
It's a rear mounted pump on this one.
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 3:00pm |
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Even if you had the hydraulics would the torque tube take it?
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 3:13pm |
OK, I have a D-14, pwr stg ,front pump and loader. It EASILY lifts 1000# giant pumpkins once a year, only time I use it. If you can , I'd split up the pellet loads.Also place on 2 high skids. The lower one will sink into the ground and rot, takes about a year or so. Everything here is 'double skided' .
You can also buy/build a rear 'carryall' I did that for D-14 #1 and it will lift 1200-1400# logs no problem though steering can be 'fun' when the front wheels lift off ! Good rubber for a D-14 is easily a $1000 bill and generally will outlive you. I've never mowed with a D-14, though I have 3F plow, 5'rototiler,cults,landrake and 4' roller . All get used/abused buy me to prep wife's 1/2 ac veggy plot.
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 3:32pm |
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Until you get a lot bigger tractor,something over 70 hp I would think lifting a ton is asking a lot. If your good with getting the load down to 1400 or 1500 lbs I think this maybe as good as any other possiblity.
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 3:35pm |
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Jay,
Thanks for the information.
I store the pellets in the front garage on cement, so rot isn't much of a worry. I do want to load up on an extra pallet, or two, just in case. They will be stored inside the new shop I am in the process of building.
The cost of rubber doesn't really bother me, $1k is less than a good set for my dually, and I'm picky on what brand I run.
I'm sure I will find more uses for it as it goes along but I can't see me spending $15k on a small use tractor, plus I like the old school machines better.
My only concern is that if my wife figures out how to drive it, I will lose that one too. I lost my JD X300 to her when she wanted to mow the front yard.
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 4:24pm |
Now you know why I have 3 D-14s  Had 4 but sold one....  The dbl skid allows you to lift the pelletsand the top skid as the btm skid can be 'ice welded' to the ground. What I meant about the rubber, is the D-14 could have $1000 'worth' in good tires, so the rest of the tractor is only $2K... I'm still stuck plowing and tilling HER veggy garden  but it's all good 'tractor seat time'. Jay
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 5:07pm |
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Our soybeans were shipped on skids that weighed 3200 pounds. Series 4 D17 handled it fine. It had a 500 model loader.
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Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 7:34pm |
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That makes sense about the tires and the skid. Tractor seat time is always a plus.
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Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 5:38pm |
victoryallis wrote:
DougG wrote:
Id never get a D SERIES, PLENTY OF 180- 190,S out there that have so much better hydraulics than them ,, |
I got 3 6080’s, a D17, and a 175 the 175 is my least favorite by a long shot. Not sure how Allis went backwards on design with the 100’s. 6070 or 6080 are much nicer. |
Victory, would you be willing to elaborate on your "100" series comment?? We have moved up from a WD and D-17 to a D-15 and a D-19(NOT ALLIS CHALMERS best tractor IMO) to now a gasser 180 and a XT 190 turbo diesel.I have dreams of owning a diesel 175 but won't happen  . Curious about your statement??
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Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 6:04pm |
My 175 just doesn’t impress me. Low to the ground clumsy tractor with uncomfortable seat. With the power director in low I’m doing the splits.
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Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 6:43pm |
Adding forks to your loader bucket; this extends the load and increases the load on your hydraulics. The $15,000 garden tractor with loader appear to be designed for a less severe useage. Diesels are great but normally more expensive. Herb(GA)
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Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 9:36am |
Boy, for us when Dad bought his 190XT in 1977, that was a huge step up from a D17.
Though we used that D17 right up to when he sold the cows in 1997..... and it got used less often for the next 15 years after along with the XT but being a gas the XT was finally parked because of lack of use. It is on the restoration list.
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Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 9:21pm |
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We had a 170 with a loader that would move around 1 ton bags of landscaping dirt. and mulch just fine. Have a D15 now and can move half a ton on the 3 point carry all just fine. Would not put much more on 3 point and be able to keep the front on the ground. 3 point hitch is a Cross after market mounted to the Snap Coupler.
Either tractor would do you well, but hydraulic systems just get better on the newer machines.
I also have a recent 35 hp. Kubota, which does most of the work around our 8 acres. Cab is very nice in winter. Kind of getting spoiled to tell the truth.
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In this area, a D-14 would have to be completely restored to bring $3000. Most are lucky to bring half that price.
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Posted: 15 Nov 2019 at 12:31pm |
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I would like to find something in the $3k - $4k range with a loader. The tractor won't be used much. Mow the yard twice a year, depending on how much moisture we get, move snow, not sure how often that will happen, at least once a month, I guess. Moving pellets would be twice, maybe 3 times a year, if it's really cold. It's difficult to find a good deal around here, everything is more expensive. I'm looking for a good tractor for a good price. I don't have an issue pying to have one shipped in, I've had other vehicles shipped in and out. I just want a good, orange tractor, they look so good when they are done.
Have many neighbors that have newer $15k+ tractors but I can't see spending that kind of money on one I won't use on a weekly basis, at a minimum.
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Posted: 15 Nov 2019 at 9:34pm |
Sinbad wrote:
Hello Everyone,
New member here. Looking for a tractor recommendation to do a few things around our land. We have 6 acres and looking to mow, move snow and remove a pallet of 1 ton of pellets out of a truck and into a garage. I'm looking at the WDs and the D series tractors with a wide front and a loader. I can get a mower anywhere, if it doesn't have one, but I am looking at getting one with the loader already attached. I'm not looking at spending a lot of money as this will be a low use tractor. The problem is, here in Colorado, everything is more expensive, and low availability. Your recommendations would be greatly appreciated. |
Welcome to the forum!!
I would recommend a D17, 170, 175 or 180. If you find a D17, install the front hydraulic pump and get an all hydraulic loader with pallet forks. A 170, 175 or 180 would already have the capacity for an all hyd loader to lift at least a ton of weight. My 170 gas never was without a loader during its life and I have lifted a whole allis C tractor with it and almost a whole WD tractor off the ground. The d17, 170 and 185 are built strong enough for that kind of loader work. The 180 is slightly better with a beefier front end, also better because you sit up higher, but is less manuverable for mowing around obstickals. The d17 is built heavy enough to lift 2000 lbs, but if you go over a plowed field with your 2000lb load on the forks, it might end up on the ground. Torque tub is plenty strong, no worries there. You should be able to assemble a D17 with hyd loader & ft pump for less than $6000 in my area. 170/175 would be about $7000 with loader. The 170-175-180 all have heavy factory 3-point hitches so a mower will go right on. https://madison.craigslist.org/grd/d/la-valle-allis-chalmers-170/7017865326.html
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