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Ted J 
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Posted: 30 Dec 2019 at 1:44am |
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I have had Milwaukee, Makita, and Dewalt. After a couple of years, if that long, the batteries have all gone south....which we all knew would happen. Then one day I found the guarantee by Rigid. All you have to do is get online and register the BATTERIES and when the go kaput, you notify the and they will send new ones to you. When you get the NEW ones, you just go online and register them and they are guaranteed for life too.
SO, until my drill or the impact goes to heck, I've got FREE batteries for LIFE!!
Anybody want to buy some Milwaukee stuff?? I've even got the grease (super charged) gun too. THREE sets of tools and 5 batteries to get rid of.
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Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 8:51pm |
I bought a B&D Firestorm kit about five years ago. Brand new, out of the box, with store receipt in hand, plugged in the charger, charged one battery. Connected it to the drill, went to drill a hole, and it made about six turns, then nothing. Switched the battery to the circular saw with no blade, and it turned about a quarter turn and stopped. Put it back in the charger, and the charger flashed "Battery Bad". I tried the other battery, it flashed "Battery Bad".
I called B&D, they said "Take it back to the retailer", so I did. Retailer showed me their B&D policy sheet, indicated to ship it, with receipt, in original packaging, back to B&D, so I made a copy, shipped the whole deal. Eight weeks later, a box arrived from B&D, I opened it, and the SAME STUFF was in there, with a note that warranty return policy did not cover inoperative merchandise.
I'll never buy a B&D again. Yep, made by same folks as DeWalt... they started the black-and-yellow because their orange-black products wouldn't sell (wonder why?)
All I wanted, was a working charger. They not only had a failure in quality assurance, they really failed in customer service. I still have DeWalt corded tools, but as they fail, I dispose them, and seek products elsewhere.
My most recent drill is a Ridgid... I bought a 1/4" impact gun, and an oscillating multi-tool, all running on same battery. They're okay. Drill chuck is perpetually loosening up. The impact gun's bit-retaining nose went to crap when I had one bit break off at the 'neck', and the fragment wouldn't release from the magnet. While trying to extract the bad piece, the whole nose came apart, sent the three retainer balls into dark corners, and the retaining ring would not seat... so now, any bit that goes in, gets held with gaffer's tape.
My 1/2" impact wrench is a Ryobi, with the large battery. Unlike the Rigids... the Ryobi is NOT a brushless, and it is absolutely clear that there's brushes, because it's constantly throwing sparks out the vents... since day 1. Brush-type motors don't last but a fragment of the life of a brushless system, and as they wear, the brushes become much less effective, sothe motor loses power, and consumes substantially more battery power. Given the choice, always choose brushless.
Chargers and batteries... the fancy batteries and chargers both have microprocessors, and BOTH my Ryobi, and my Ridgid cordless tools are worthless anytime ambient temperatures are above 80F, or below 40... and not only won't they OPERATE, they won't CHARGE. When I'm on winter jobsites, I need those tools to be functional when it's -20F, so best I can do, is keep the chargers and tools in the front seat of my service truck, with the engine on. As the tool cools off, I hafta throw it back in the truck. I pull out my older Hitachi drill, slap a battery in it, and go... it doesn't care about the temperature.
I have had batteries rebuilt by my local Batteries Place... and I've had oh... 75% success. For the ones that don't, I take 'em back to Batteries Place <;-) to get re-rebuilt, and usually they come out okay, but in the scheme of things, when I'm on a job, and a cordless tool bites dust, I expense a replacement tool, and the failed one goes back home to my garage, and if I give the batteries a rebuilt on my own dime, I expect to get a few years of casual home op before they become recycleable. Like brushes, motor bearings don't last forever, and when THEY start to drag, battery life goes to crap too.
Cordless tools are great, and they suck. Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em. 
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 8:41am |
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I've standardized on the Ryobi 18V 'systems'. 3 yrs ago one 'died' and I can't import batteries from China ( lithium vs planes, sigh..). Anyway for $99 I got drill,driver, 2 batts, charger...then decided to tear into the battery pack. it has 5 '18650' cells in it, 4 OK, 1 low. 'zapped' it with 3.6V wallwart for 1/2 hr..got close to 3 volts, reassembled and used Ryobi charger... been fine ever since .So now I have brand new in box 'spares'...
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 7:59am |
 mhankins wrote:
i have the Ryobi 18v tools and like them for what I use them for. Not long ago the batteries were going bad,and made the mistake of buying some on e-bay. One of them lasted about 2 days,and the other lasted for a week.When I contacted the seller,they offered ma a $1.50 refund.After getting pay pal involved,the said I could return them at my expense,for a refund,but had to ship them to the seller in China,which was going to cost more than the batteries.Sucked it up to experience. Home depot then had a sale where you could buy 2 batteries and get a tool of your choice,so went that way,and all is good  |
I experienced the same thing with the batteries I got from eBay. They look like DeWalt batteries, but the brand name is Vanon. They're junk, but I've been using them anyway. They stay charged ten minutes - tops. And you are very limited to what you can do with the drill because it has no power. One of them won't stay snapped in the drill. It falls out all the time. These batteries were cheap, but like the old saying goes, " You get what you pay for".
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 7:30am |
i have the Ryobi 18v tools and like them for what I use them for. Not long ago the batteries were going bad,and made the mistake of buying some on e-bay. One of them lasted about 2 days,and the other lasted for a week.When I contacted the seller,they offered ma a $1.50 refund.After getting pay pal involved,the said I could return them at my expense,for a refund,but had to ship them to the seller in China,which was going to cost more than the batteries.Sucked it up to experience. Home depot then had a sale where you could buy 2 batteries and get a tool of your choice,so went that way,and all is good
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Posted: 25 Dec 2019 at 9:50pm |
Impact guns are nice. With newer technology they have a ton of options out there. I run an Dewalt 887 and a Milwaukee Surge. Both have a screw assist mode that will not allow you to not over drive screws. They make drill bits now that work with impact guns too.
At the end of the day though, I use a 12v drill for almost all of my household work. I use those two impacts for assembling furniture projects because of the assist mode but I installed two wall mount TVs in the last two weeks and never broke out an impact gun, just my drill for pilot holes and screwing into studs. Having the option is nice. Also lithium is what you want. I would check out DeWalt, they make awesome home owner tools and have a lot of options that are all cost conscious. |
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Posted: 17 Oct 2019 at 12:26pm |
 Some days you get lucky  some not so good.  Last Friday not so good. My pickup and move it around tractor had a low tire on the back. Put air to it and water wanted to leak out (yep we get away with plain water ). So called the tire guy,he would order me a $50 tube for Monday. So I aired up the leaker on Chey hooked to the welder, darned if it didn't want to be a big leak too.
So the old Craftsman 19.2 impact took the tractor tire off. Got a nice pair of used 16 x 285 for the old Chey when they fixed tractor tire. With a fresh charge that battery put the tractor tire on and took the pair off and back on the Chey and had a lot left yet. The tires on the old Chey have not been off in longer than I can remember.
Someday's the batteries can be a real disappointment. But other days they can be a real help.
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Posted: 16 Oct 2019 at 10:29pm |
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I think one thing they should do is take old tools and batteries back for recycling when you buy new ones just like automotive batteries. Seems like I am accumulating dead tools and batteries and also rechargeable LED lites.
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Posted: 16 Oct 2019 at 8:17pm |
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I have older B&D firestorm you can run the new lithium 20 volt batteries on them with a 10 dollar adapter
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Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 7:33am |
20 years ago or so I bought a Makita 18V 1/2" impact and 1/2" drill. Very compact and real strong with good battery life. Lithium batteries. Used the heck out of them for everything for years. The battery charger started not charging them, needed new batteries from what I understood, something in the batteries wouldn't let the charger charge them. $150 apiece for batteries. No..... Charged them with a 12V auto battery charger for awhile and something told me to stop that and I figured they would probably blow up at some point.
Use a Dewault 12V driver and 3/8 drill and have a Milwaukee 18V 1/2" and 3/8" impact now. Very happy with them.
They have come a long way
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Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 11:23pm |
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I bought a B&D battery drill and liked it a lot, came with 2 batteries and a charger. I went back to buy another battery and it was $49. then checking the tool isle I saw another drill with the 2 batteries and charger for $48. so I bought that, they were the 18V ones. I have since bought a couple 20V drills and other things like the 15 ft pole saw. I need a couple more batteries for the 20V tools. i'll find them somewhere hopefully. I too see the 40V tools, may hafta buy them just to get the batteries?
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Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 9:21pm |
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I have a 8+year old Porter Cable drill and impact driver, lives in the service truck 24/7 365.25 days a year. one of the original batts crapped out about 3 years ago. Purchased 2 rebuilts from Amazon. They are better than the original and still going
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Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 5:52pm |
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I only buy OEM batteries, I have Dewalt and Milwaukee drills but I get on ebay and buy new, open box batteries or drills. There are several guys who make a living buying kits on sale or multiple deals, split them up and sell all the pieces at about half the cost of new.
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Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 2:56pm |
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Bought Dewalt 18v 3/8, 1/2' and driver units years ago, still have them where take my extra and aged batteries to Batteries plus to have the bad cells replaced so can run again. 1/2' hammer drill has been thru hell and gone while still just gets it, the one older 3/8" I have has been dropped several times, knocked the trigger out of it twice only to snap it back into the hole. Not had a need to get any others and had these since 1999.
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Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 2:24pm |
'new' cordless devices have computers in them, batteries have 'chips'... so you may not be able to use other batteries on certain devices. Same holds true for printer 'toner' cartridges... say they're empty but 15-25% left in them... I made good money 'foolin the computer' years ago....
I just wish I could BUY 18650s from China...sigh...
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Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 1:18pm |
If we cheap folks would hold a gun to all the manufactors to use the same battery, we'd all be rich. Well at least so prosperous we could have better than that black label beer.
If your daring watch all the youtubes on how to revive the old batteries. Some of those are trying really hard to get a darwin award.
After the batteries for a 12vt drill I had died, I tried to put wires from a auto battery to it I got nothing. I read it works but not for me. Or did I  do it wrong, only 2 ways i could see. But that is like corded anyway so,it was just cause kind a thing.
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Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 12:40pm |
I have the 18v Ryobi. Tools all work great but I must have 5 chargers and as far as I can tell, only one works, When I first got Ryobi they had the big batteries. The newer ones have the half size LiOn batteries. The guy at the store told me, Charge the new ones in either charger, but never charge the old type in the new type chargers. I'm not sure if that is true, never tried it!
I watched a video on replacing bad cells in batteries. It appears easy enough, you buy the $12 HF batteries and tear them apart to use the cells from them. With all of the batteries I have and all of the Ryobi tools I have I guess I should.
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Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 10:20am |
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I have a complete set of B&D firestorm tools. 9 tools if you include wife's weed wacker. They kept the same battery pack for many years built in the same plant along side dewalt using the same internal parts. Battery's finally started going bad won't hold a charge. Bought 3 NMHI replacements higher A/H rating than the older batteries and hold charge a long time. No matter what battery you use if it's left in the charger long term it'll go bad. I bought some cheep NoCry tools from Amazon this year. They are lithium battery's and work great. They had large numbers of good reviews and I'm happy with them. It's warm in my shop so cold weather shut down isn't a problem.
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Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 8:11am |
Ranse, They have us hooked on Battrees! Same problems on this end too! I found I had a faulty charger. I have converted my 18v Dewalts to 20 volt with the adaptors. Regards, Chris |
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Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 8:01am |
Rance, I got one of those HF cordless that you referred to. I should have returned it when I took it out of the box - no power.
I would be willing to try the line that Hubert recommenced though.
i just do not have the heart to toss that HF one and it just sets on the bench in retirement.
Well I finally did it. That drill and charger are residing in my trash can. Iffin you can reach that far it will be there until Thursday.
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Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 5:52am |
OK... hint on 'dead' battery pack. One of my 4yr old used-abused Ryobi 18+ batteries wouldn't charge,so I tried to order battery cells from China. nope, can't ship(planes/fires I suppose).....they are '18650' used a LOT in tools and vaping machines(sigh). Anyway, I tear battpack apart...yeesh, friggin itty-bittycomputer in there on top of 5 18650 cells. I check voltages, one cell <2 volts. So I connected a 3 volt power supply(yeah, like WHO has them ???) to 'dead cell' for 3-4 minutes to put a minimal charge on the 'dead cell', it reads 2.3ish... close up pack, toss on Ryobi charger and it works. Maybe not as long as before, but still it works.
If you're reasonably handy, they are easy to change....
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Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 5:02am |
Chit,,JC,,I thought ole Tom was just trying to be "Expressive",,,,,
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Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 12:22am |
Back in '06, I bought a Bosch 36 volt drill with two Lith-ion
batteries and it is still going strong. BIL bought two of them at that
time also, and he had to buy new batteries a couple years ago for his.
Thing is a brute. We were taking down a bolted quanset building and
Nephew picked it up and put it on a bolt and twisted right out of his
hand and over the side it went busting the drill housing. Bought a new
housing for it and back to work with it. Drill and batteries have never
sat outside in the cold or rain in the 13 years.
Bought a 1/2" Milwaukee impact with the red lithium M18 batteries and don't plan to leave that out in the cold either. All my other battery powered tools have died over the years, batteries just didn't last..
200Tom1, When you make a mistake in your message, and see it after it is posted, you can go up to "Post options" and click on it and it will give you choices like 'edit post' or 'Delete post'. If you choose edit option, you can open it and make corrections or add to it... or delete all you wrote but will still show that you had posted but nothing there for words... If you want to change stuff and have a clean post, and nobody has made a post after you, then you can highlite what you wrote, copy it, and then delete the whole post and go back to message box and past your copy in and change it and then hit post reply. 
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Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 11:28pm |
200Tom1 wrote:
I have a Makita impact driver and a Dewalt drill. I bought 2 new battery's for the drill last spring. Both work great. Seriously looking at a 20+v skill saw. I am always away from the sheds/house working on stuff. Ya I got 3 different generators but non with wheels. |
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Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 11:28pm |
I have a Makita impact driver and a Dewalt drill. I bought 2 new battery's for the drill last spring. Both work great. Seriously looking at a 20+v skill saw. I am always away from the sheds/house working on stuff. Ya I got 3 different generators but non with wheels.
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Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 10:23pm |
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I have switched to 20 volt Dewalt. I still have some of my old 18 volt stuff and a couple decent batteries. Right now if I was starting from scratch I’d buy Ridgid at HD with the lifetime warranty on tool and batteries.
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Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 10:07pm |
I always read some of the comments from people that have bought, to see what kind of luck they had.
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Ranse.......... I got the same problem but with Craftsman... I bought the 19.2 volt about 15 years ago... have gone thru 3-4 sets of batteries and have 3 extra drills and 3 flashlights due to buying "packages"... I use the Skill saw, recip saw and impact the most... Couple years ago I bought the " 2 for $30." batteries off the internet and they have worked GREAT... I plan to keep doing that as needed... Maybe you just got a bad one... I would guess the same guy makes batteries for Harbor and the rest... I know they have several different sizes or capacities ( all the same voltage).. this is amp Capac.
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Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 9:18pm |
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I use Milwaukee 12 volt and 18 volt drills , impact drivers and sawzalls . I use all of them almost every day . I have had great service from the place I buy from . I pay a little higher there than box stores/wholesale houses but any problems they exchange for new. In cold weather I bring the batteries inside at night (my van sits outside) and I am sure that extends life . From what I have seen if these batteries are not used everyday they will not last.
Was just on a large job and the general contractor had a bank of 20 Dewalt batteries he had to keep track of . He claimed no one goes home until all the batteries are accounted for . Seriously though he thought Dewalt made the best batteries for the money .
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