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steve(ill) 
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Posted: 18 Sep 2019 at 8:36pm |
modirt... that $8. is what you pay at the weld shop or some farm stores.... I have seen it for $30. for 10# on e-bay........... or $3. LB.
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Posted: 18 Sep 2019 at 4:31pm |
You know Mike,,I just cannot figure some people and their ways of thinkin on that sort of stuff,,,,,,,I remember the wife and I were drivin up and down alleys lookin for some cardboard boxes to put unused clothes we were going to give to the Hospital Auxillary and we come on to a dumpster that was plunb full and I mean PLUMB full of unopened toys of all kinds and some new clothes,,,so me beenin a resourceful person,,we started loadin everything I could reach from ou side the dumpster,,,,,,until a dude comes out the back door of the store and DEMANDS we stop "stealing" all thet stuff,,!! I told him we were going to take to the Red Cross for Christmas distribution but he kept tellin me to leave. The argument started when I told him that his store no longer owned the stuff in the dumpster and furthermore,,the City owned the alley he was standing on. Bout that time the wife gets in his ugly face and starts to tell him off something fierce and says he's gonna call the cops, so we leave as much as I didn't want to,,,I doubt them sorry people are able to sleep at night,,,,,
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Posted: 18 Sep 2019 at 12:49pm |
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Joe, we go back and forth on being able to bring stuff home. Right now it's NO! However, the 'manager' and I use that term lightly, in charge is on his way out.
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Posted: 18 Sep 2019 at 10:25am |
As per Joe's original question, I bought a few pounds of rod yesterday......Hobart......and it was $8 to $10 per pound, depending on what it was. Is that high or normal?
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Posted: 18 Sep 2019 at 9:45am |
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[QUOTE=CTuckerNWIL]I haven't bought a welding rod in over 20 years. At work one day, the bosses son had 2 pallets of old welding rods all ready to dump in the scrap hopper. I brought about 30 lbs of it home because I could see 6011 and 6013 on most of them.
The welder I use is an old Forney buzz box and it does what I need done most of the time. The x SIL brought some 7018 to me once, he's a Boiler maker welder. I just laughed, watching him try to strike an arch with that rod. He went to school to learn to weld and passed all his tests, but wouldn't believe me when I told him he couldn't lay a bead with his 7018 rod.
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You ought to see how they throw it away where I work! 55gallon barrel at a time, or a 'flat'. One barrel, the weld shop foreman told me the rods were $10 a piece! Don't remember what they were for. Throwing away stick rods one thing as the flux does go bad in time but they do the same thing with wire and tig rod.
Hey Mike,,,do they let you take some of thet rod home,,??? 
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Posted: 18 Sep 2019 at 9:31am |
CTuckerNWIL wrote:
I haven't bought a welding rod in over 20 years. At work one day, the bosses son had 2 pallets of old welding rods all ready to dump in the scrap hopper. I brought about 30 lbs of it home because I could see 6011 and 6013 on most of them.
The welder I use is an old Forney buzz box and it does what I need done most of the time. The x SIL brought some 7018 to me once, he's a Boiler maker welder. I just laughed, watching him try to strike an arch with that rod. He went to school to learn to weld and passed all his tests, but wouldn't believe me when I told him he couldn't lay a bead with his 7018 rod.
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You ought to see how they throw it away where I work! 55gallon barrel at a time, or a 'flat'. One barrel, the weld shop foreman told me the rods were $10 a piece! Don't remember what they were for. Throwing away stick rods one thing as the flux does go bad in time but they do the same thing with wire and tig rod.
I've never worked anywhere that is as wasteful as this one!
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 6:13pm |
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I haven't bought a welding rod in over 20 years. At work one day, the bosses son had 2 pallets of old welding rods all ready to dump in the scrap hopper. I brought about 30 lbs of it home because I could see 6011 and 6013 on most of them.
The welder I use is an old Forney buzz box and it does what I need done most of the time. The x SIL brought some 7018 to me once, he's a Boiler maker welder. I just laughed, watching him try to strike an arch with that rod. He went to school to learn to weld and passed all his tests, but wouldn't believe me when I told him he couldn't lay a bead with his 7018 rod.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 5:09pm |
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I bought two little rod tote ovens a few years back, 120v load with rods a day or two before use, plug it in all nice and toasted when go to use. Another factor, PREP, PREP, Prep, eliminate Mill finish and any paint or rust to start, 7018 will burn thru rust but at a cost, ugly welds, chance of inclusions.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 4:38pm |
I'm gonna have to "HMmmmm" too like ole TBone,,,,UMmmm,,,,do all arc welders have straight and or reverse polarity,,,,?? I'ma gonna have to claim ignorant on this one only DC machines have reverse polarity. Normally the two leads PLUG INTO a socket.. and you just pull them out and put into the other socket.. Some machines have a SWITCH to reverse the polarity........ AC has no polarity, so not needed.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 3:09pm |
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Suppose so. I only have 2. A 7 inch and a 4 inch. Not nearly enough! But see....I’m frugal too!
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 12:08pm |
Tbone you need to buy the cheap( for Joe frugal) HF angle grinders by the dozen so you have every type wire wheel and grinder all ready to go without changing wheels all the time.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 11:53am |
Paint? What is the paint you speak of?? 
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 11:43am |
Hey JC,,,I'm gonna have to "HMmmmm" too like ole TBone,,,,UMmmm,,,,do all arc welders have straight and or reverse polarity,,,,?? I'ma gonna have to claim ignorant on this one ,,,sheeese,,,,
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 11:42am |
T-bone, ye gotta sometimes do a little prep, like grind the paint and rust off the stuff... Got tired of reaching under to hook up the tow chains, so welded D rings on. and flip them up when not using them, or sometimes use them as a step. No fancy weld but they aren't coming off either.
My welds aren't that great, but I make sure they aren't going to break and make myself weld it again...
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 11:13am |
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Hmmm.....
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 11:08am |
DJ, Tbone, the way I have thought it, the differences in polarities are like this, DC
straight polarity is just surface welding... the flow of electrons are
coming from the base metal and coming up to meet your rod metal so it
lays it on the surface puts the heat at the electrode tip... AC
weld is the flow of electrons running both ways and burning both base
metals and electrode metals and thus 'meeting half way and puts the heat
there in what your welding a little bit deeper.... And DC
Reverse polarity are the electrons getting sucked into the base metals
and pulling the heat and the electrode metal down into it deeper.
Having said that, I leave my welders in DC reverse unless I am putting
on a coating of hard facing/surfacing and then its straight polarity.
Can't remember when I used AC the last time.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 10:50am |
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Joe, in a way, I wish I knew more, and more accurately wish I had the time to practice more (in some ways!), but total truth be known, I sure ain't no welder. I tried messing with the heat back when I was messing with the 7014, seems all I did was burn through. I sure remember that stuff starting nice. My old Miller sure is nothing fancy, and my rod is OLD as well. Sigh.....I'm trying to stick 2 pieces of farm junk together most of the time, I wouldn't dream of sending my welds down the highway on a trailer of something, not at this point of my skill. (lack thereof) It's a lot like golf. I know what I'm supposed to do, just not up to par!!!
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 9:25am |
Hey TBone,,I'm likin ole JC's chart as it makes you think bout what you been using and what you maybe should try. For the structural stuff I usually weld,,I want the best penetration with the dimes to be a close second. I remember tryin some 6010 and my old buzz box just would not run it for chit and the dude at weldin supply told me I should use 6011 instead. I used 6011 for some years and cannot remember WHY I changed to 6013. My machine does weld great with the 6013 altho,,I had noticed the penetration was not always the best even with V'in out so I kept cranking up the heat til it would but most generally would get a lot of burn-thru,,, I just finished up a 20' X 24' shader and sure did have to work harder to make sure penetration was up to snuff. Thinkin I'm gonna order a small tube of the Hobart 6011 and do a comparison to the 6013 on some left over stuff,,,,,,,
Did you ever look into "higher heat" with the 6014 and compare penetration AND strength,,??
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 9:20am |
Mactractor wrote:
The very trouble with many wire welds Tbone. Look great, but no penetration.
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Yep, seen that too, on the trampoline we had for the kids a few years ago. Why is that one leg leaning?? Hmmm......the most beautiful looking weld......missed the joint by ~1/8 inch!  To be clear, I don't have a wire welder. Have an old Miller M-180 my dad bought years ago.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 9:07am |
The very trouble with many wire welds Tbone. Look great, but no penetration.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 6:44am |
JC(WI) wrote:
7014 is smooth ,easy and fast... ... with 70,000 pound tensile.
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Hmmm......it IS smooth easy and fast. I lay down a beautiful stack o' dimes with that stuff........That I can then break in two with my bare hands, practically NO penetration. Must be my amps aren't high enough? It's just weird, I can grab the 6011 and get stuff to hold together strong, just looks like crap.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 3:38am |
Hey JC,,many THANKS for postin thet chart,,,It has made me aware of some things I shoulda known when weldin for strengh. I always have V'd out the thicker stuff for the most penetration and I have noticed that since I started usin 6013 on some thick stuff,,,it sometimes does not want to penetrate as much as I like. The chart says I shoulda been usin 6010 or 6011 which I used to use,,,and I'll be danged if I can remember why I started usin 6013 as the chart says 6010 or 6011 were better choices,,,Now I know,,,, 
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 12:16am |
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A shop with floor heat keeps my rods dry. Even thru cold Canadian winter and 18-19" of rain in the summer.
If you take the rods outside for welding... a little portable oven is good.
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Posted: 16 Sep 2019 at 10:39pm |
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I use an old refridgerator for stuff I don't want moisture getting to
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Posted: 16 Sep 2019 at 9:44pm |
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So, out of curiosity, what does everybody do to keep that 7018 dry, we have a rod oven at the shop, but I'm too cheap too keep one going at home for the once in a great while that I'm going to stick weld something. Once it picks up moisture, the low hydrogen properties go out the window. 7014 has been my go to for years for clean steel, better penetration and deposition rates than 7018 and does fine sitting on a shelf in an open box. For dirty work 6010 does the trick, these two are about all I keep around home anymore.
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Posted: 16 Sep 2019 at 6:02pm |
7014 is smooth ,easy and fast... ... with 70,000 pound tensile.
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Posted: 16 Sep 2019 at 9:36am |
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What's 7014 good for? Nothin'?
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Posted: 16 Sep 2019 at 9:20am |
7018AC not 7018
there is a BIG difference in striking it and layin down.... SAME strength though, 70,000 (th 70 in 7018AC )
member you need AC rods for Allis Chalmers.....
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Posted: 16 Sep 2019 at 9:09am |
OK,,,OK,,,!!!,,,OK,,JC,,,just for you,,Ima gonna go me,,,,mind you,,, a small helpin of the 7018 rod to try on my AC Buzz box and see if there's any troot in it runnin in a AC buzz box,,,,,,,,,cause,,,,cause,,,I don't wanna be called a,,,,a,,,,,"girlfriend",,,,,,
By the way,,,THANK YOU Dick L,,,,,!!!!
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Posted: 16 Sep 2019 at 8:49am |
Different rods for different materials and applications...
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