New Forum / odd thing

It is either your laptop or your web browser. Most likely it is your browser. I know my browser likes to keep all the things I type in boxes to pull up later. There is a way to shut it off but I'm not sure totally on what your using.

Thanks for satisfying my curiosity guys. I figured it was something on my end and not the forums themselves. The browser theory sounds plausible to me. It's not a problem I'm worried about, although it is a bit annoying.

IBWD MIke,
the question I asked was about the light grain bullets available for the 30-06. I wondered if they had less drop than the typical heavier bullets normally use in the 30-06. I thought maybe they would have similar characteristics as a smaller caliber, such as the .243. I was hoping to improve my long range capabilities.

IBWD MIke,
When I say long range I mean 3 to 400 yards. I probably should have said that. I'm using 150gr and from a steady platform I'm pretty consistence @ 150yrd. But it's 370 yards from my barn to the edge of the woods. That's were I usually see coyotes occasionally. I wouldn't shoot at a deer over 100yds but I will a coyote. I'm just trying to increase my chances.

The answers I got from the shooter's forum weren't encouraging. Most said lighter bullets don't stabilize well in .30 calibers, and mostly won't improve one's accuracy. They suggested I stick with the 150s, but buy better grade ammo, and practice.

I own .06 in a Browning, had one in a Remington, prefer the .308 to the .06 round and a .243 to the .308 for varmints which is a necked down .308.

Have a Ruger M77 bolt 243 I prefer for the Coyotes at distance, use 105gr soft points for distance as they have figured out can reach them pretty consistently at ~300 yds, they stepped out to ~400 and I have hit one so far. 85gr will shoot flatter but not the knockdown or kill rate.

30.06 I have I used 150 and 180gr. The 180gr are round soft point and do the most damage, the 150gr are conical soft point where I saw more thru and thru with them unless hit something large like a femur or a backbone or skull. .308 typical load was 110gr. moves faster.

When all I had was a 06 I had a couple boxes loaded up with 110 grain hollow points to shoot varmints and sittin crows with at 200 yds.  Pretty tricky with a 2 1/2 power Lyman Alaskan All Weather Scope.    110 grain HPs shot real good thru a Mashburn Arms 30 cal barrel on a Springfield Action

Edited by Ken in Texas - 28 Feb 2019 at 10:21pm

Les Royer wrote: I hit a bird with a sling shot once. Think I used a chunk of limestone rock from the driveway.

 See Rance you don't need no other place, experts on everything right here.

First off Ranse, most of us 'old farts' is dying off and there is a LOT of reloading stuff showing up on Craigs List, FaceBook MarketPlace, auctions and pawn shops.  I suppose all my stuff will go there after I,,,,,,,,,,er,,,,,um ,,,,,expire...  I have THOUSANDS of $$$$ worth in and on my benches.  Yes, BENCHES...
Check around and see what you can find for a start in reloading.  You won't believe the fun you'll have.  You get to experiment!!

Now, the answers you got over there are the same I would give you over here.  You've gotten some answers already.  Here's some more.....
  The twist in the barrel is meant to do it's job for what it is built for.  The .223 is a pretty flat shooting round out to 350 yards, but no punch behind it.  Because it is a LIGHT bullet, it has to have a fairly fast barrel twist, most in 1-14 or 12.  Most bullets in this caliber are in the 35 to 85 grain weight.  You can shoot a .223 in a 1-7 or 1-8 inch twist, but a LONGER bullet is a must or it won't stabalize.

The twist of an 06 is usually 8 or 9 to at most a 12 per-inch.  The 10 or 12 twist in a barrel of a .30-06 will stabilize all these (light) 308 caliber bullets, which run from 100- to 165-grains, but a 220-grain one would probably require an 8-inch twist barrel to stabilize.

Notice the LIGHT in a .223 is around 50 grains,  The LIGHT in a .308 (30-06) caliber bullet is 90 grains.  It's just the nature of the beast.  More weight, less twist.  Less weight, more twist, to get the projectile (bullet) to stabalize.  Stabalization is what it's all about, distance, trajectory, knockdown etc.

I shoot a .280 Rem Express for just about EVERYTHING, and do well at it.  You need to PRACTICE and more practice.  To do this, you need to reload.  My favorite for varmints is a 140 grain Nosler Ballistic tip.  I sight in at 200 and can hit anything out to 350 in less than a pie plate.  At 400 I am 10 inches low.  I can't even see that far anymore, so I don't get that chance very often.  But if a yote catches my eye, I'll put the cross hairs on his back and gently pulllllll.........

I loaded some 120 grain ones this past summer, but haven't gotten to the range to try them out as yet....

There have been numerous articles on here about loads, loading, shooting, the right rifle, ammo, you name it.  There are good answers too, but sometimes it gets heated.  I'm NOT one of those guys that like to 'experiment' with loads.  I like my fingers where they are...

Well Rance, looking forward to feed back in the future.  Hopefully you will be able to do some damage to that half sheet of plywood. 

Ted,
A lot of good information there, I learned a little. I don't know what the twist is in my rifle. I assume like most ought sixes as you said. How do you determine it?

I used to think people reloaded only to save money. I reckon most people do it because they believe their is better than factory. I had a shotgun shell loader once. My problem was getting all the components to make the shells. I had plenty of empty shells but that was it. This was before internet days. Unless things change, I won't be getting into it anytime soon.


IBWD MIke,

Yeah that's a little far to go for ammo, but I appreciate the offer. I have a friend that reloads a lot but not 30-06. He also told me a barrel that a competition shooter would consider "shot out" would be plenty good enough to hunt with. I would guess there's some truth to that, would you agree?

Best shot I ever made was a squirrel right behind the eye at 75 yds with a 22 I got when I was 12 years old.

What Mike said is the easiest way to determine barrel twist.  To find out for sure, any gun smith can tell you exactly.

ALL guns DO NOT shoot any given ammo the same.  I have 3 rifles (all of the same caliber) and no 2 shoots the same.  There are a lot of things that make them shoot different, probably the biggest is barrel resonance.

I reload to save money (did I mention that I've spent THOUSANDS on equipment?) to tune a load to the gun, rifle or pistol and the enjoyment of shooting.  The enjoyment part is #1 on my list anymore.  I'm teaching my grandkids to do both, shoot and reload.  To see the face they make when they hit that target........PRICELESS

  I have had Hunters tell me they unloaded their shotgun or rifle at a deer and never hit the deer. When I asked them did you sight in before season they respond no it was the gun's fault! So they trade for some other rifle or shotgun and miss with that one! Shooting is like everything else in life you have to shoot and be comfortable with your rifle or shotgun and know where it shoots ! And don't take for granted you have the rifle or shotgun sighted in for say 200 yds. when you have been shooting 100yds. ! Shoot 200yds. and then you know where the rifle or shotgun hits! Shooting is not cheap but what else can a man do that brings some sense of accomplishment,enjoyment and not too much trouble !

Some very good advice from some very good shooters. I put a road kill deer out in the hay field and drove a red stake in the ground for a marker . Ranged it at 175 yds. Coyotes came and started eating after 2 weeks. I was gone from home for a week and neighbor who hunts with dogs called and said coyote was on the deer carcass. I said go ahead and put your dogs on him because where I am right now i would have to have a long barrel to shoot the yote ! Neighbor put his dogs on the track but never got the coyote! And I have to look up another road kill! Most coyote hunters here say you don't get many chances at a yote. They become wiley real quick!