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Ranse 
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 Posted: 08 Jan 2019 at 9:11pm |
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Don used the 1 1/2 pvc to drive the seal in, not to line up the cover. That's what I assumed anyway. He used the other thing he made to line it up. It's obvious I've haven't installed one either. I understand lining the cover up with the crank. I just don't know why it's necessary. Are the holes in the cover bigger than the bolts? It looks like once all the bolts were in, everything should be lined up perfect.
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 08 Jan 2019 at 10:12pm |
Ranse, Don and others will answer better than me. But there are no dowels to align the cover with the engine block/crank and I think this little bit of extra effort may help keep this seal alive longer on the rotating crank? My guess without measuring is that the clearance in the holes in the cover allow the seal to be offset by as much as .030 inch off center from the crank. That's a guess. I will wait to see who provides a actual dimension? Maybe when/ if I ever get my WD45 engine back together I will try to measure the possible offset between the crank and timing cover in the area of the seal seat. I also think that the use of shims under main bearing caps on some WD series engines,was part of the reason to do the alignment of the cover/ seal to the adjustable center of the crank. Again just a guess on my part. Regards, Chris
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Ranse
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Posted: 09 Jan 2019 at 6:07am |
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I figured the holes had to be intentionally over sized. Now this my be a dumb question, but why couldn't you put the seal in the cover first? That way you use the seal itself to alien the cover. Just simply slip it on the shaft, install the bolts and tighten. I'm just trying to learn too, a WD or WD45 may be my next AC.
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Don(MO)
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Posted: 09 Jan 2019 at 8:18am |
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Chris is right about shimming on the mains will change the center line of the engine. The seal will not line the cover to the crankshaft because the spring in the seal is not strong enough to hold the weight of the cover up. If you had a let's say a D17 gas 226 engine cover off you'd find lining pins on the front of the engine because the engine doesn't use shims. It's just like the governor housing needs to have the gear back-lash set too, the older engines are not like a new engine, the older engines where built to be adjusted was they wear.
Edited by Don(MO) - 09 Jan 2019 at 8:20am
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Posted: 09 Jan 2019 at 8:41pm |
Hummm, I dont think I ever set the gear backlash on the governor housing? Something else to learn about! :) Regards, Chris
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Don(MO)
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Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 8:45am |
 Sugarmaker wrote:
Hummm, I dont think I ever set the gear backlash on the governor housing? Something else to learn about!:) Regards, Chris |
Don't feel bad Chris most don't know to check them. Call me sometime and I'll help you will the setting of it.
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Allis Wd45
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Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 8:47pm |
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I also Noticed that the Timing Cover isnt perfectly lined up with the bottom of the engine block. Does this mean that the cover isnt aligned correctly?
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Posted: 12 Jan 2019 at 6:38am |
Allis Wd45 wrote:
I also Noticed that the Timing Cover isnt perfectly lined up with the bottom of the engine block. Does this mean that the cover isnt aligned correctly? |
No, but it needs to have the same alignment side to side of the block , the cover can be lower or higher than the block just needs to be the same misalignment on both sides of block. Most of the time it will be about the same alignment.
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Posted: 12 Jan 2019 at 10:44pm |
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Don, what are the specs on that PVC tool? Did you put it into a lathe to make?
No wonder so many of these leak after guys have done a rebuild on them!!
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Posted: 12 Jan 2019 at 11:05pm |
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Don, I just thought it could have made some difference but makes sense since we’re looking for the seal to be square not the cover.
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Posted: 13 Jan 2019 at 8:48am |
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This may be a little overkill, the two I've done I used a dial indicator to locate the cover.
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Posted: 13 Jan 2019 at 10:13am |
IBWD MIke wrote:
This may be a little overkill, the two I've done I used a dial indicator to locate the cover.
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Doesn't sound like over kill to me! Nice work! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 13 Jan 2019 at 11:10am |
I need to do the front crank seal on my D-10 series III. Am I going to have the same problem with it?
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Posted: 13 Jan 2019 at 2:21pm |
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Mike, Id rather have a little over kill than an oil leak.
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Posted: 13 Jan 2019 at 2:23pm |
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Dusty, you shouldnt have to pull your timing cover as long as the main seal is the only thing leaking. If you do I believe the D series have lining dowels so you dont have to mess with getting the cover lined up.
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Posted: 14 Jan 2019 at 11:51pm |
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So I got the pan back on tonight and managed to get the rear gasket off center. There is more coming out of the back on one side than the other maybe 1/4” difference. Did I screw up and going to have to take it back apart to re center it. If so I would probably need a new gasket set again.
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Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 10:36am |
Good job getting the pan back on! That rear gasket is fairly wide so it might work and seal Ok as is? Probably only one way to find out. Or you could take a picture and let folks give opinions? Regards, Chris
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Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 12:06pm |
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Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 12:08pm |
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I did end up lowering the back of the pan because I couldn’t get the flywheel cover back into place with the pan up. I tried to get the gasket in a little further but it is in pretty much the same place. So it must be correct. The front I’m not sure of yet.
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Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 12:57pm |
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Sorry for the pictures being so big I post them all from my Iphone they look fine on there but are so big on a computer you cant read them. Why is that?
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Posted: 17 Jan 2019 at 8:18am |
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Posted: 17 Jan 2019 at 8:42am |
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So Ted if I decide make a short one will you film it for me? lol
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Posted: 17 Jan 2019 at 8:45am |
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Don ,That new PHONE u got ,U can do it yourself. LOL
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He who dies with the most toys is,
nonetheless ,still dead.
If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED.
Just because you do not have the tools for job , it dose not make it a bad design.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2019 at 8:50am |
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Posted: 17 Jan 2019 at 2:34pm |
Allis Wd45 wrote:
Sorry for the pictures being so big I post them all from my Iphone they look fine on there but are so big on a computer you cant read them. Why is that? |
In your camera setting you should be able to change the size of your pictures, I think that is right but don't know for 100% sure that is what my phone is like but I always put them on my decktop and resize them. HTH. Kenny L.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2019 at 2:46pm |
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Posted: 17 Jan 2019 at 2:48pm |
these are 600x400 your was 4???x????
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Posted: 17 Jan 2019 at 4:20pm |
Well, Whats the verdict on the seal being out of place? Leave it or re-do it? Regards, Chris
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Posted: 18 Jan 2019 at 9:27am |
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Kenny, I don’t see a place where I can change the size when the photo is taken, but that makes sense maybe I will just have to resize them on the computer before posting.
Chris, I had to drop the rear of the pan because I couldn’t get the flywheel cover back on I centered that gasket as best I could. I left the front alone because when I loosened the pan the sealer already seemed like it was cured, so we’ll see what happens. Now waiting on the thermostat bypass hose and fan belt from agco.
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Posted: 18 Jan 2019 at 10:01am |
Maybe this will be a guide for the install next time you are there.
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