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    Posted: 21 Jan 2019 at 8:20am
Aaron,
I will defer to Don's recommendations on this oil leak issue. He hasn't steered me wrong.
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 Chris
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I'm sorry it is still leaking after all the hard work you put into stopping the oil leaks, so you might be better off to just go ahead and pull the engine put her on a stand turn her pan side up and remove the new but now old pan gasket set and go ahead with replacement of the front crankshaft seal at the same time. You are not that far from pulling the engine (less that one hour from it) If you don't have a stand or engine host most parts stores will rent them.
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Chris, I agree. I loosened the front of the pan and dropped it down enough to get at the gasket. I didnt want to break the bond of the permatex on the edges because I was afraid of ripping the side gaskets. Anyway I pushed on the side that was sticking out and got it lined up with the other side except for the top where its tacked to the block. I know all this is a guessing game but do you think I should remove the pan and realign the gasket or would I need to get another gasket set? It looks like the side gaskets have already been compressed.
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I had some small leaks on mine too! I really think this is why Don and others suggest having the engine out and on a stand, upside down. Its just so much easier then fighting mean old MR gravity!
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Chris, I guess I better just take it back apart again and retry since the radiator is still out.
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Dang I was afraid of that too. Looked like a better than 50% chance it would hold to me. Guess I was wrong. I doubt your going to see any improvement to a no leak condition after running. 
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Well Chris, the dreaded answer to your question. Yes it is leaking oil from the front bearing gasket. Is there any chance that when I run the tractor and it gets up to temperature it’ll stop or is it just going to keep leaking. Besides that everything else seems to be holding oil. But I haven’t ran it yet.
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Don, for sure the picture you posted looks about where my rear gasket is. The front one is definitely not straight all the way around the bearing cap though.
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Maybe this will be a guide for the install next time you are there.
 
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Kenny, I don’t see a place where I can change the size when the photo is taken, but that makes sense maybe I will just have to resize them on the computer before posting.
Chris, I had to drop the rear of the pan because I couldn’t get the flywheel cover back on I centered that gasket as best I could. I left the front alone because when I loosened the pan the sealer already seemed like it was cured, so we’ll see what happens. Now waiting on the thermostat bypass hose and fan belt from agco.
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Well,
 Whats the verdict on the seal being out of place? Leave it or re-do it?
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these are 600x400 your was 4???x????
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Originally posted by Allis Wd45 Allis Wd45 wrote:

Sorry for the pictures being so big I post them all from my Iphone they look fine on there but are so big on a computer you cant read them. Why is that?
 In your camera setting you should be able to change the size of your pictures, I think that is right but don't know for 100% sure that is what my phone is like but I always put them on my decktop and resize them. HTH. Kenny L.
 
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Originally posted by Fred in Pa Fred in Pa wrote:

Don ,That new PHONE u got ,U can do it yourself. LOL
Fred, I don't think I can hold this pain in the rear phone with one hand and to the work.CryEmbarrassed 
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Don ,That new PHONE u got ,U can do it yourself. LOL
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So Ted if I decide make a short one will you film it for me? lol
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Originally posted by Don(MO) Don(MO) wrote:

Originally posted by Sugarmaker Sugarmaker wrote:

Hummm, I dont think I ever set the gear backlash on the governor housing? Something else to learn about!
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Don't feel bad Chris most don't know to check them. Call me sometime and I'll help you will the setting of it.
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Sorry for the pictures being so big I post them all from my Iphone they look fine on there but are so big on a computer you cant read them. Why is that?
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I did end up lowering the back of the pan because I couldn’t get the flywheel cover back into place with the pan up. I tried to get the gasket in a little further but it is in pretty much the same place. So it must be correct. The front I’m not sure of yet.
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Good job getting the pan back on! That rear gasket is fairly wide so it might work and seal Ok as is? Probably only one way to find out. Or you could take a picture and let folks give opinions?
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So I got the pan back on tonight and managed to get the rear gasket off center. There is more coming out of the back on one side than the other maybe 1/4” difference. Did I screw up and going to have to take it back apart to re center it. If so I would probably need a new gasket set again.
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Dusty, you shouldnt have to pull your timing cover as long as the main seal is the only thing leaking. If you do I believe the D series have lining dowels so you dont have to mess with getting the cover lined up.
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Mike, Id rather have a little over kill than an oil leak.
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I need to do the front crank seal on my D-10 series III. Am I going to have the same problem with it?

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Originally posted by IBWD MIke IBWD MIke wrote:

This may be a little overkill, the two I've done I used a dial indicator to locate the cover.

Doesn't sound like over kill to me! Nice work!
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This may be a little overkill, the two I've done I used a dial indicator to locate the cover.
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Don, I just thought it could have made some difference but makes sense since we’re looking for the seal to be square not the cover.
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Don, what are the specs on that PVC tool?  Did you put it into a lathe to make?
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