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CaseyCreek 
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Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 9:01am |
My old, original drawbar was getting worn, so I replaced it this spring with a new Chinese special. Everything was working fine, until it wasn't. I was bushhogging some grass and I dropped into a ditch. Nothing I don't do on a regular basis. I heard a loud pop and I stopped the tractor. The pictures below show the result. The drawbar doesn't appear to have flexed at all. Neither the bushog tongue nor the pin have so much as a ding in them.
So, I went back to the barn and put on my old, worn out, beat up drawbar which has never broken and pulled everything back to the barn. Then I found an OEM drawbar on ebay which is now headed my way.
The place I bought the Chinese drawbar is going to send me a replacement, but after this, I don't think I will trust one.
I know that the OEM drawbars are getting scarce, but if you decide to use one of the new Chinese, drawbars, be careful.
Edited by CaseyCreek - 09 Oct 2018 at 9:04am
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HoughMade
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Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 9:13am |
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If you still have the old one and it isn't broken, it can be straightened, any wallowed out holes built up and rebored and, generally, repaired. Not cheap, but it would probably be a better drawbar than even a new domestic manufacture.
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CaseyCreek
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Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 10:44am |
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If you still have the old one and it isn't broken, it can be straightened, any wallowed out holes built up and rebored and, generally, repaired. Not cheap, but it would probably be a better drawbar than even a new domestic manufacture. |
The old drawbar has never broken. The pin hole was getting wonky so I thought I would be proactive and replace it. I couldn't agree more that it is still better than the drawbar that broke. I haven't seen any US-made drawbars for the 185.
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Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 11:56am |
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What?? Are you saying that the (communist) Chinese dont care about quality??????
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Tbone95
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Posted: 10 Oct 2018 at 8:31am |
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Probably heat treated in such a way that it's too brittle. That sucks, fortunately, you weren't doing something with it where an instantly breaking drawbar end up in injury!
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Posted: 10 Oct 2018 at 8:35am |
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I've seen an original 190XT draw bar that broke at about the same place
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Posted: 10 Oct 2018 at 8:41am |
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Sometimes it happens, I broke a WD drawbar raking hay. Had almost no pressure on it and broke into just like yours
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Posted: 10 Oct 2018 at 8:49am |
gee, I'd like something wider than either of those bars are. The holes always reduce the strength of the bar,so the more 'meat' to begin with the better. I've got 3 D-14 drawbars sitting here collecting dust and they lok a LOT wider than yours. When you consider the extra HP your tracor is, I have to wonder what grade steel/HT those bars are.
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CaseyCreek
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Posted: 10 Oct 2018 at 9:28am |
Like Tbone95 said, I am glad I wasn't pulling something like a wagon up the highway when the drawbar broke. I thought that if you guys saw what happened to the drawbar I was using, you could maybe avoid a similar situation.
I don't know why they drill the little holes so close to the drawbar pin, either. I don't think I have ever seen one of those holes in use and there is no way the drawbar is as strong with them as without them. Drilling the holes requires extra work in the manufacturing process to make a less usable product. Go figure.
I tried to find out what kind of steel was in the drawbar before I bought it but I could not get an answer. I was told that 4140 and 4142 were used for lots of drawbars, but after the way this one snapped, I don't think I got one of those. I think the post about the heat treating not being ideal is right on.
A wider drawbar would be stronger, but it won't fit the OEM drawbar sling.
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Posted: 10 Oct 2018 at 9:42am |
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I think the extra holes are for a hammer strap
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Posted: 10 Oct 2018 at 2:35pm |
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I have never seen a drawbar snap apart. That settles it for me-----I'm keeping the old one.
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Posted: 10 Oct 2018 at 3:16pm |
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It could've wedged hard between the drawbar and tongue going around the ditch, and but it in a bind and snapped it. You could've mowed that same spot 100 times and this last time had an angle or twist slightly different. It's hard to say.
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Posted: 10 Oct 2018 at 3:51pm |
When I was working at the Allis dealership back in the early 1990's they had a drawbar sitting in the shed that was broke in two. I had to ask and an older mechanic there said it broke while he was demonstrating a brand new D19 diesel and plow.
I sure envied those guys for being there all through some of the best of Allis-Chalmers. I was told a lot of stories about things that went on at the dealership.
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Posted: 10 Oct 2018 at 4:29pm |
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Posted: 10 Oct 2018 at 5:46pm |
Allis dave wrote:
It could've wedged hard between the drawbar and tongue going around the ditch, and but it in a bind and snapped it. You could've mowed that same spot 100 times and this last time had an angle or twist slightly different. It's hard to say. |
Might also be that the old DB, with its worn hole, don't put the pin in a bind, when crossing the ditch...
Where didja get this model of chinese steelwork, anyway? 
Edited by DiyDave - 10 Oct 2018 at 5:48pm
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Posted: 10 Oct 2018 at 8:52pm |
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I just had my XT drawbar repaired. Hole was elongated, so they made a 1” insert out of hardened steel and welded in place. Turned out really nice.
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Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 6:54am |
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Lets hear some stories! |
Most of the stories are best told by them but they are all gone. One story took place back in the 1950's and Gleaner had their corn heads out (maybe the first prototypes, I don't remember for sure) and the Peterson's (the Allis dealer owners) were working with the Gleaner engineers up here on one of the Peterson farms picking corn. The were having trouble with breaking cob and spent days working on the problem to no avail. It was late in the year, I want to say December or even January and they had to all take turns every round running the A Gleaner because of the extreme cold and no cab. One night after the Gleaner folks left for their hotel room, Pickle (Daryl) Johnson and Kermit Peterson stayed in the shop to try something on their own. They bolted in angle irons in between the cylinder bars and didn't tell the Gleaner guys. The next day when the engineers showed up they went back out to pick and no more broken cobs. Filler bars were introduced shortly after.
One of the comments the Gleaner guys also made was that they came up to Minnesota to harvest corn not trees....... it was a real good growing season that year and the corn head had trouble with the very thick stalks.
I wish I could remember some of the stories better........ They used to do a lot of head to head plowing demonstrations in the area when the WD45 was new and they demoed against the competition right at the farmer's field. At the time nearly every town had one or more dealerships. Blooming Prairie had three back then. Deere, IH and Allis. It got to the point where the Deere people woudn't go head to head anymore. Those 2 cylinders were easy to out perform in a plowing demo. Pickle said he never got beat driving the 45 with a plow. The closest was......... I think it was a tractor with a torque converter. Not Case but a little known brand like Silver King or Wards and then the Super M was close too. They would demo with both an Allis mounted plow and whatever pull-type plow the farmer already had. By the time the 7000 series were out those types of demos were pretty much history and farm shows took there place.
Kermit, before they owned the Allis dealership, went to work for Oliver down in Charles City. This was back in the 1930's. He liked it and made more money than he had ever made before but then the plant went on strike. He came home because he didn't want anything to do with a strike. He said it was stupid because it was good money already at a time when jobs were scarce.
There were lots of stories not involving anything to do with farm equipment. Like filling a chew can with acetylene and lighting it up with the torch from behind a wall. Scared the other mechanics and people from nearby stores came running because of the loud bang. They came rushing in asking what the loud bang was and those guys said "what bang?", as they stood there with white flakes of whitewash floating from brick the walls.
Some stories, like I said are better told by them and they ain't here no more. Trust me, they were funny stories.
Edited by Lonn - 11 Oct 2018 at 6:56am
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Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 1:53pm |
CaseyCreek wrote:
I tried to find out what kind of steel was in the drawbar before I bought it but I could not get an answer. I was told that 4140 and 4142 were used for lots of drawbars, but after the way this one snapped, I don't think I got one of those. I think the post about the heat treating not being ideal is right on. |
What grade do you get when you melt down a shredded pile of rusty old 78' chevys, a school bus and mix in some scrap I-beams and soup cans?
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Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 2:44pm |
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I have a real nice draw bar off a 180, if anyone would be interested in it...same as the 185 as far as I know. It's an original one. Rick
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Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 2:56pm |
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My 7060 drawbar was broke in the same area. It was broke and fixed before I bought it though, but the previous owner was going through a ditch with a 5000 gal manure tanker when it snapped.
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CaseyCreek
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Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 3:34pm |
Kurt WI wrote:
My 7060 drawbar was broke in the same area. It was broke and fixed before I bought it though, but the previous owner was going through a ditch with a 5000 gal manure tanker when it snapped. |
Manure spreader! That stinks!! :-)
More seriously, though; I understand that my drawbar and his were under a lot of pressure. What surprised me is that the new one did not bend.
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Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 7:21pm |
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We’ve broken several 8000 series original ones over the years pulling tank spreaders only once the spreader took off into the woods
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Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 9:11am |
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CaseyCreek...I'll get back to you Monday in regards to the draw bar. I'm out of town for the weekend, so will get back to you then. Thanks, Rick
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