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mo_fishing
Bronze Level Joined: 19 Jul 2010 Location: St. louis Points: 3 |
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Posted: 19 Jul 2010 at 12:03pm |
I have a 1950s WD-45 that keeps vapor locking after about 10 minutes of use. Very dangerous when I'm on a hill. Is there a way to stop it from happening and when it does how do I fix it?
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BobHnwO
Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Jenera Ohio Points: 693 |
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How do know it's vapor lock?
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Why do today what you can put off til tomorrow.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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Gravity feed fuel systems don't vapor lock. Sure you're not loosing spark?
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"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford
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LouSWPA
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crap in the tank?
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I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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GBACBFan
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Why would it help to do that, Lou?
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RickUP
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I can;t stop laughing.
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CTuckerNWIL
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ROFLMAO at Larry's question, not somebody else's misfortune.
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Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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Something tells me he heard about a blonde with carb problems...
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"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford
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BobHnwO
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Gotcha Lou,LOL.
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Why do today what you can put off til tomorrow.
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LouSWPA
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Clinton, Pa Points: 24417 |
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mo_fishing,
You appear to be new to the site, so please don't think the humor was aimed at you, just my buddies giving me a hard time!
Naturally, I meant possibly rust flakes/debris in tank, clogging the outlet. I especially would consider this since you alluded to hilly terrain.
Welcome to the site and watch out for the wisenheimer's! LOL Edited by LouSWPA - 19 Jul 2010 at 7:27pm |
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JC-WI
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 33901 |
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Either your points /condensor or coil die after they warm up... and fail.. then cool down and work again... OR like Lou's crap in the tank idea... Need to clean fuel system out real good... Check for good gas flow from fuel line down at carb, drain a good quart of gas at that point and see if its full flow from when you turn the tank valve on to the time you turn it off. check for floating debree in bottom of tank that goes over the outlet in tank, such as a bee or soybean ,etc.. Possibly take carb off and clean it and check the inlet to carb and see if there is dirt over the needle valve in there.
On my D17, I can start that cold with the gas turned off at the tank and drive it a long ways before it coughs and dies. - So it kinda sounds like your carb is not getting enough gas fast enough to keep your carb bowl full.
Also check the sediment filter assembly as in having dirt in the passage ways around the shut off valve. ....Long time ago we had a tractor that had a felt screen in the sediment bowl assembly and it did a good job of cleaning the fuel... but it did not allow enough fuel to pass through when it became partially plugged and tractor would start up cold and run but when hot, and killed it, it would not start till it sat long enough to fill carb.
Good Luck, and let us know what you find. - Maybe wrong carb,,, as in wd carb on wd45 etc. Edited by JC(WI) - 19 Jul 2010 at 8:42pm |
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Dave in il
Orange Level Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Location: Manville Il Points: 1748 |
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This spring I had the same problems with my D17. Turns out some how someone had cut off the end of a zip tie and it ended up in the gas tank. It would float until the tractor was pulling good then it would get sucked into the fuel valve. Shut the tractor off (or it would die) then restart and it cleared up for a while. Talk about frustration! Got the tank nearly empty and could finally see the dang thing and fished it out. Now she runs fine.
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mo_fishing
Bronze Level Joined: 19 Jul 2010 Location: St. louis Points: 3 |
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As a follow up to my problem. I had the carb rebuilt on my WD45 over the winter. The problem is that after about 10 minutes of running the engine acts like it wants to die. if I pull the choke it dosn't die and after a minute of pulling and releasing the choke the engine starts to run normal again for another 10 minutres then starts all over again.
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LouSWPA
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OK, with that information I would definitely remove the tank and clean it real good, as well as the fuel lines, filters, etc. After you do that you may or may not also need to remove and recheck your carb, as the
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I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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JC-WI
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You might want to think about putting a Wix filter #33032 or Fram G-15 in your gas line to filter out the fine crud. I run those filterson the 190 gas...When the filter starts plugging as in tractor starts sputtering, I just slip the filter off the hoses and blow the thing out backwards and get the crap/debre out and slip it back in and go. - I have seen where guys have cut the gas line to put them in..... But I bought a nipple fitting that would go into the carb and about a foot and a half of hose and cut that in two. Then I pushed pipe nut back up the line and slipped the end of the hose over the pipe an clamped that end then slipped filter on and slipped other hose onto other end and hung the filter under the carb and connected final end of hose to hose nipple that you just put in the carb where fitting for pipe origionally was. I then ran a wire through the old fitting and wired it to carb. ---- If at anytime I desire to rehook the line back to the carb, its just matter of minutes and it will be like origional again.
Our consensus is your having problems from dirt or debree an maybe who knows, some crap in the system. Specially when you have to grab the choke to suck fuel through.
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Richard
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Springfield, IL Points: 198 |
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In my younger day I had a '55 Chevy that would stop running after a few minutes just like you would turn the key off. After a few minutes it would start again and run normally. I had replaced the points, condenser, coil, distributor cap, but the problem was the rotor. When it would get warm the tension would 'relax' and contact with the distributor cap would be lost. Replaced the rotor and that fixed the problem. Kind of unusual but something to consider.
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Gerald J.
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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The ten minute time delay is typical of a gas cap that isn't venting, a condenser that is breaking down from heat, and a coil that is breaking down from heat. Usually it takes a while for those to cool or vent. The fact that it runs while choked hints that its a fuel problem, probably low flow to the carburetor, that has been discussed on this forum many times. Among the hidden places for a fuel restriction, there is generally a fine metal screen on the inlet adapter to the carburetor that can get so plugged a tractor will only idle for a few minutes then won't start for 15 or 20 minutes. The fuel line itself can be clogged with varnish restricting fuel flow. The float or float needle can be sticking closed or nearly closed. Sometimes beating on the carburetor will temporarily shake those loose. It could easily be something floating in the gas tank from a chip of paint, to butterfly wings (the pink parts of an ear of corn), to a scrap of paper. It isn't always the same thing giving the same symptoms, because any of these can do it, or it can be a combination of several or all.
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11899 |
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I agree with Gerald's suggestions, especially with the extra HOT weather we've been having across the states. Vapor lock can occur on gravity fed systems as well especially if the tank isn't venting out the cap. Just had that happen to the IB while mowing in the hot sun a couple weeks ago. Lil' AL came to an ubrupt halt just like I hit the key to shut him off! Wa' happened here? I thought of a possible vapor problem first due to the hot sun, grabbed the fuel cap, gave it a twist, and whoosh it went. Waited a minute, fired him up, and away I went again. Left the cap loose and finished the rest of the property without as much as a fart or a miss. Leave the fuel cap loose and see how it reacts. It may be your problem...
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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Vapor lock is not possible on a gravity fed system, unless maybe the fuel line were touching the exhaust maifold. Vapor lock happens when the fuel in the fuel line boils and the pump is only able to pump the boiling vapor. That's why large, carbureted vehicles of the 70's and 80's had a return line added to the engine mounted fuel pump. This served 2 purposes, 1 provide an escape path for vaporized fuel in the line, 2 to cool the pump and lines with cooler fuel from the tank to prevent bubbles in the first place. Gravity fed systems have no pump and always have the weight of the fuel on the fuel system except for maybe extreme angles. Any bubbles will quickly flow through an open float valve. It's just not possible with the fuel lines out in the open to get them hot enough to vaporize the fuel to the point you get no liquid to the carb.
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"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford
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mo_fishing
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Thanks for all the suggestions.
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LouSWPA
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feedback is always appreciated! let us know what it was. If you do crap in the tank and it works, don't forget I'm the one that suggested it!
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I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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CTuckerNWIL
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I was mowing with my Dad's old 8N Ford yesterday. After a half hour of mowing it died like you tuned the switch off . I left it set cause it wouldn't fire. About 3 hours later I went back and she started up and ran fine for about a half hour. It did the same thing. My brother took the fuel line off at the carb and there was no gas. He stood there holding it for 30 seconds or so and the gas started running out. The fuel line doesn't touch the manifold but is close.
If there is no such thing as vapor lock in a gravity fuel line what made the fuel stop going through? By the way,I've never had a problem with this tractor before but don't use it much in the middle of the summer.
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AllisFreak MN
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That sounds like the gas cap isn't venting.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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Like Allisfreak says, gas cap not vented creating a vacuum in the tank. Same problem as what Steve described. Pulled the cap, and heard a whooshing noise and away it went. Just like pouring gas from a can with the vent closed. Air has to get into the tank, or the fuel has to evaporate in the tank to reduce the vacuum.
Edited by Brian Jasper co. Ia - 22 Jul 2010 at 9:25pm |
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DaveKamp
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5817 |
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It started running after 30 seconds because... as he stood there, the tank was warming. With a slight negative pressure in the tank, the fuel's vaporization point goes lower, so gasoline is actually vaporizing. This takes the place of venting, but not right away... once fuel starts vaporizing enough, you'll get a little flow out the hose.
One thing I always do with a fuel system blockage... is use a little air gun at just 10psi or so, remove the gascap, and push some air BACKWARDS through the whole thing. I watch the tank to see what crap comes out... then I formulate a cleanup plan, which usually involves a white cotton T-shirt, a big funnel, and a secondary fuel tank... |
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