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Oldred 
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Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 11:06am |
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Anyone have a good source for a complete front end rebuild kit ? Not the differential just the outer bushings/bearings/seals/Ujoints etc ? Just priced out at Agco and had a small heart failure LOL.
Thanks Mark
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DrAllis
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Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 12:36pm |
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I can't imagine being able to find ANY parts for those FWA axles other than an AGCO dealership. The axle was made by a company called SIGE from Europe and all their parts are unique.
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Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 9:03pm |
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Do I remember right that Sige is owned by Deutz? MACK
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Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 9:16pm |
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I spent around 14 grand on my 8070 it was high but as long a it gets greased and taken care of it should last another 10000 hours.
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Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 9:39pm |
I'm not sure, but look up a Moog 486 U-Joint. It states it is a 4.1 inch across u-joint that is for Deutz and Allis front steer axles made by SIGE. I couldn't find a whole lot more information on the internet, but if you can find a good parts guy with a moog catalog, that should be more helpful. It looks like everywhere is about 2 weeks lead time on them. This might be the part AGCO is selling? It can be found for around $160 +/- on the internet. If it fits, that savings would add up after 4 of them.
Amazon can get them:
This place is where I got the 4.1 inch across dimension:
This website lists applications for Allis and Deutz steer Sige axles:
Edited by Hurst - 15 Jan 2016 at 9:40pm
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Posted: 16 Jan 2016 at 1:59am |
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Do I remember right that Sige is owned by Deutz? MACK |
I don't know about today, but they were an independent company back when we sourced the axle from them.
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Posted: 18 Jan 2016 at 7:51am |
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we can help what do you need 989-379-2721
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Posted: 18 Jan 2016 at 11:30am |
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sige is now owned by spicer
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Posted: 21 Jan 2016 at 11:37am |
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Thanks for replies guys,
Currently Dana/Spicer own SIGE and they are looking for a possible kit which is probably not available. I am located in Alberta Canada so right now our exchange rate on Agco parts coming from the US is really poor. If I would have known I needed a rebuild 1 year ago it would have been a smaller pill to swallow so to speak LOL.
Actually the Agco U-joints are not that bad at $419Can/293USD per side complete. Its just the rest of the seals bearings/bushings etc that add up.
Thx Mark
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Posted: 21 Feb 2020 at 2:30pm |
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Just gonna bump this...
Has anyone tried to see if the Moog 486 fits the Sige FWA axle?
Matt
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Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 4:42pm |
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I might be way off on this, but did John Deere and Allis Chalmers both use the same company for their front ends.
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Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 10:48pm |
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We used a Moog 486 on an 8050 FWD. The last one came from a regional truck drive line company, I think they found one in a warehouse in Nebraska. Years ago we ordered one thru NAPA and it showed as a Precision Brand U Joint, it was about $100 cheaper than Agco. I think Precision is owned by Moog now. I'm a little surprised how hard they are to come by these days, especially compared to truck u joints. A mechanic friend of ours said he thought the aftermarket u joint fit a little loose in the end cap mount, but we didn't notice any play. The mounting bolts for the U Joint are even crazier in price, they are a hex head bolt w/metric fine threads, but in order to have enough clearance they went with a smaller than std hex head. At one time they cost $7 each, last time I checked they wanted $28 each. A std metric hex head bolt with that thread cost $1 each. I scrounged a couple used ones from a helpful dealer's salvage axle the last time we worked on our tractor.
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Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 9:52am |
Could the $1 dollar bolt head be turned enough to work
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Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 10:05am |
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Good to know, Thanks. Mine aren't that bad but if they're getting scarce I better start sourcing them now.
Matt
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Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 2:08pm |
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I'm not familiar with these fronts but could a allen head style be used? Probably a clearance problem some where.....
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Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 9:53pm |
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Its been a while since we worked on ours, I'm not sure you can get at an allen head bolt. I ordered std head metric bolts from Tacoma so we can modify them if we need to. There were a few more on a dealer's burned salvage unit, too, but would have had to heat them to get them to turn out(maybe they'd come out).
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