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Bill_MN ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Points: 1466 |
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I posted a while back and didn't get much response, anyone know much about the Rumely 6? Have an older restored one at our show grounds and I'm going to tune it up and try to get running. Anything to look out for, oils/fluids, spark plugs, carb rebuilding etc? Have a service manual but it's vague. Also the gas tank has been dry but is crusty, thinking of taking it off and shaking some rocks in it then blow out, anything else I should do to really clean it? Any help is appreciated, I know the knowledge is rare on these.
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1951 WD #78283, 1918 Case 28x50 Thresher #76738, Case Centennial B 2x16 Plow
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torque tube ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 2013 Location: Okla. Points: 190 |
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Got one running this winter that had the engine and the clutch stuck . The engine was not hard to get unstuck valves had it stuck 3 of them in the end . The clutch was a different story had to separate tractor and found the pilot bearing froze up then found the rear plate was cracked ,had to remove clutch and have plate repaired.. The Rumley 6 had a oil bath clutch that is different than anything I had ever been into , adjustment is critical .I have seen several carbs used on this machine mine has a K5 zenith and runs well . Do not hold me to it but I think the parts book lists a zenith 169 as the original . I saw one last week with I think A zenith 63.They are like any other , clean fuel , proper timing ,good compression and they run . I was lucky enough to get one with Elec. start but it will fire up on the crank to . They are a smooth running machine . They are a non sleeved block mine is bored 60 over. I know A fellow forum member that just got another 6 running his has even another different carb. he can chime in if he wants to. I would like to put mine on a saw mill one day I think it would do well . For a tractor that so few were produced it seems that several survived that speaks well for them
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36U,39B,,40RC,,37WC,37M,Rumely 6A
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torque tube ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 2013 Location: Okla. Points: 190 |
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Also it is really not A off color question mine is green just like a early Allis it also bears a plate on the fire wall stating it was sold by AC after AC acquired Rumely. Some 6s were even orange I have been told it took AC until 1936 to sell the 800 or so Rumely 6s made . There is an AC sales brochure that shows the Rumely 6 available on steel or rubber . Mine is on rubber with the optional round spokes
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36U,39B,,40RC,,37WC,37M,Rumely 6A
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CALEBnOK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 2011 Location: Oklahoma Points: 618 |
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My '35 allis sales brochure shows the rumely 6a still available. We have a orange carcass of one. They are good tractor just slow because of the lightweight oilpull designed rear end.
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CALEBnOK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 2011 Location: Oklahoma Points: 618 |
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Bill_MN - the oil filter is a hard one to find. Over on Smokstak forum there is some discussion on filters. The ones Waukesha lists are not correct. 25-50 for engine oil is fine and we put 1 gallon or 75-90 gear lube in the clutch housing. There are level checkplugs on the belt pulley side.
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Phil Stier ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Location: sussex wi Points: 75 |
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copy and paste from YT Mag.com Rumely 6 used a Waukesha 6 cyl. L head built to Advance-Rumely Specifications. I am not familiar with the MZA engines so I can't tell you anything about them. Rumely built 804 6A's in 1931. The engines in them were 4.25x4.75 and had babbit bearings. I don't remember the engine tag saying anything about MZA. The magneto drives off the water pump on the left hand side of the engine. Rings are easy enough to get - 1/4" oil ring like an unstyled B JD, compression rings were 1/8". Got ours from Dave Reed at Otto Gas Engine. You can get a reproduction manifold. If you don't find the parts, try an ad in "Rumely Collectors News" www.rumely.com. The color is Brewster Green which was also used on '49 Mack Trucks, Martin Senour 99L-2599 or duPont Dulux 24166. I mixed my own with Hunter Green and black until it looked right. Matched perfectly.
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Leesok ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: OK Points: 516 |
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Bill; is it stuck? How long since it ran last? How has it been stored, enclosed building, shed, or outside? Down here the birds, dobbers, and wasp like to call the manifold home. Don't want to suck that crap in the engine if you have a stuck valve. As for plugs, Clay is using 3076's and I am using D-14's. Both start and run great. On the fuel tank, box it up and send it to me as I am looking for one. LOL!
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tab ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Feb 2010 Location: mi Points: 31 |
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Anyone have pictures of one with lights on it I have one with a starter looks like lights would bolt on but have never seen one with lights on it . They sure run smooth
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Leesok ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: OK Points: 516 |
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CALEBnOK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 2011 Location: Oklahoma Points: 618 |
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I have a rear fender bracket and one broken radiator bracket. We need to get together and have some cast as I have about 10 lights. If you count the carcasses we have 5 6A's
The Waukesha's in rumelys carry a 6a serial number and not Waukesha serial #'s. Lee I was told you have custom 6a. Sounds like an improvement to me and would be interested in seeing some pics of it! |
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Leesok ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: OK Points: 516 |
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Caleb; would be all for meeting. Have been told by more than one that we need to meet. Sorry I missed you at Pawnee. Headlight mount is good and would work for either side. Rear of Rumallis ( what Clay and I call it) is not ready to post pics on forum yet. Came with A fuel tank ( too big) and wrong rear wheels. Pm me your phone# or e- mail and I would be happy to load you up with pics and would like your opinion on this tractor.
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torque tube ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 2013 Location: Okla. Points: 190 |
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I would like to comment on a couple of things about the rumely 6 on the sales brochure Lee posted . First note the round spoke wheels . AC did a lot of things to move the 800 Rumley tractors they acquired when they bought the company it took them from 1931 to 1936 to get rid of them . They offered them on rubber in 35 with the round spokes as an option . Note the exhaust going straight up out of the hood , another modification AC made most the early Rumley tractors had a turn out elbow just above the manifold . The Rumley 6 I own has both these features and I believe they are factory . I also believe AC took Rumley 6 power unit engines and built tractors out of them . I know I will get some argument on this but I know where there is a Rumley 6 tractor with a AC model A bell housing and rear end . It has NO adapter plate it has holes machined in the bell housing and bolts directly . It uses A different flywheel than the Rumley 6 with the oil bath clutch again the flywheel is machined to fit . To much machining for a farmer in 1936 and to well done . This tractor I am referring to has a industrial type rear wheel set up I believe was produced by AC for some type of industrial application. All of this done to eliminate Rumley stock or to meet a certain need .
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36U,39B,,40RC,,37WC,37M,Rumely 6A
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torque tube ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 2013 Location: Okla. Points: 190 |
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By the way neat sales brochure Lee where did you get? Any idea where the custom Rumley 6 I am referring to is?
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36U,39B,,40RC,,37WC,37M,Rumely 6A
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Bill_MN ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Points: 1466 |
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This is the tractor by the way, I thought I posted this pic before but maybe not. All original except for paint, the guy who owned this only bought really nice tractors and took good care of them. Been stored inside for 20+ years and turned over every year so not stuck. Should clean up real nice.
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1951 WD #78283, 1918 Case 28x50 Thresher #76738, Case Centennial B 2x16 Plow
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torque tube ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 2013 Location: Okla. Points: 190 |
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Good looking Rumley 6a should not take much to get her going. Check those fluids good especially that oil bath clutch . Good luck
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rowcropmafia ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 208 |
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To clean the fuel tank out i would get it as clean as you can mechanicly by shaking bbs or rocks or whatever also try working a pressure washer around in there as good as you can get it. There is a coating you can put in that seals the remainder of the rust or whatever is in there off you just put a quart or so in, roll it around and pour the rest out and let it dry. I can't remember the name of it but i have bought it at napa and had really good results
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Bill_MN ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Points: 1466 |
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Those of you who own these...have you ever rebuilt the carb and if so did you replace or repair the venturi? Took this one apart and the cast aluminum venturi is crumbling, afraid I may be dead in the water unless I can get another one...
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1951 WD #78283, 1918 Case 28x50 Thresher #76738, Case Centennial B 2x16 Plow
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Matt (Jordan,MN) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jordan, MN Points: 3792 |
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What is the make and model number on the carb? If it's a zenith I should have the specs and part numbers for it. Matt
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Bill_MN ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Points: 1466 |
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Zenith 156
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1951 WD #78283, 1918 Case 28x50 Thresher #76738, Case Centennial B 2x16 Plow
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Leesok ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: OK Points: 516 |
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I rebuild all my own carbs. White chalky, battery acid looking powder is common on antique tractors. So far have always been able to clean up good and have enough left to repair with jb wield. The main areas are where it seals. Mine has a Zenith model 62. |
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torque tube ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 2013 Location: Okla. Points: 190 |
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Mine has a K5 zenith . Lee the parts book shows the 156 as the original am I correct ?
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Leesok ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: OK Points: 516 |
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Finally!! LOL |
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Petewheel ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 11 Oct 2016 Location: United Kingdom Points: 1 |
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Hi Iam a collector in the Uk and came across your forum on Rumely 6,
Dad and I are restoring a Rumely 6a and come across a few problems, My Carb is completly shot its a zenith 156 also manifold is in a bad state. If you can help I would be most greatful Regard Pete
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Bill_MN ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Points: 1466 |
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The Carburetor Shop has kits for Zenith 156, they are made to order though with 12-15 week turn around http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/TrackitsA.htm#TracAdva
Rosewood Machine and Tool makes new manifolds for Rumely 6, you'll choke on the price http://www.rosewoodmachine.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RMATC&Category_Code=Rumley |
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1951 WD #78283, 1918 Case 28x50 Thresher #76738, Case Centennial B 2x16 Plow
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Bill_MN ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Points: 1466 |
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Those of you who have gotten into the engine, what kind of head gasket does it have? I am doing a valve job and rings on this tractor and want to know what I'm dealing with before prying off the head. I'm hoping it's a reusable copper gasket, Olson's has quoted a new one and it's a bit pricey
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1951 WD #78283, 1918 Case 28x50 Thresher #76738, Case Centennial B 2x16 Plow
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TedBuiskerN.IL. ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Davis, IL. Points: 1959 |
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Norm Meinert has a Rumely six, and may be able to help you with the Carbs. 815-238-4506.
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Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives.
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sam8white ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Dec 2017 Location: New glarus wi Points: 1 |
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Joe(TX) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Weatherford. TX Points: 1682 |
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Instead of rocks, use a short length of chain. Easier to get out as long as you let some hang out of the opening.
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