This site is not affiliated with AGCO Inc., Duluth GA., Allis-Chalmers Co., Milwaukee, WI., or any surviving or related corporate entity. All trademarks remain the property of their respective owners. All information presented herein should be considered the result of an un-moderated public forum with no responsibility for its accuracy or usability assumed by the users and sponsors of this site or any corporate entity. | ||||||
The Forum | Parts and Services | Unofficial Allis Store | Tractor Shows | Serial Numbers | History |
New to me HD11B |
Post Reply | Page 12> |
Author | |
farmerdev
Bronze Level Joined: 31 Jul 2022 Location: Utah Points: 9 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Posted: 31 Jul 2022 at 5:25pm |
Recently bought an HD11B will be picking it up in about 2 weeks. They said the engine (685T) is locked up only paid $222 for it so I have some wiggle room in fixing it. I can get an engine rebuild kit for about $2500 less main bearing set & head gasket set. My question is should I keep with the stock engine or should I go ahead and repower it to a more common engine? I cant seem to find main bearings or head gasket set for this engine. Attached is a picture of the serial number.
|
|
Sponsored Links | |
Tracy Martin TN
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gallatin,TN Points: 10633 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I would investigate what is wrong with engine first. Could be something simple. JMHO, Tracy
|
|
No greater gift than healthy grandkids!
|
|
JC-WI
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 33828 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
See if starter is locked up.
|
|
He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself
The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
|
AC Mel
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: N.Ca. Points: 1101 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Tim....So the serial number being 799...should be the first year of production 1955. It would have come with a Lonova style engine at that time...the 685T became the last version made. So ...yes JC and Tracy have good ideas where to look. As I always like to say....post some pictures....engine pictures will help identify exactly what you have....the more pictures the better.
|
|
farmerdev
Bronze Level Joined: 31 Jul 2022 Location: Utah Points: 9 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
DrAllis
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 20547 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Not a 1980's model 685-T for sure !!!! Non-turbo 1950's engine is what I see.
|
|
AC Mel
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: N.Ca. Points: 1101 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
So...Tim....yes what you have is the early version of the 685. This is the "Lanova" style Buda engine that was first installed in ACs in 1955. The hydraulics also represent the first year. Looks like a pretty clean specimen. Maybe put up some more pictures of the whole machine.
|
|
CAL(KS)
Orange Level Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3786 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Unfortunately no one is making engine parts for these anymore. I bit of know-how and luck will be required to find parts on someone's shelf.
|
|
Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
|
farmerdev
Bronze Level Joined: 31 Jul 2022 Location: Utah Points: 9 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
CAL(KS)
Orange Level Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3786 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
definitely worth the price but the engine and undercarriage condition will be the determining factors.
|
|
Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
|
R.KYLE
Bronze Level Joined: 01 Jun 2013 Points: 75 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
IF YOUR UP FOR A CHALANGE A 471 DETROIT WILL FIT IN THERE. PARTS STILL AVABLE.
|
|
farmerdev
Bronze Level Joined: 31 Jul 2022 Location: Utah Points: 9 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I am up for anything really I do like the idea of a Detroit in there I have a 2-53 I believe in another JD crawler loader and that thing runs great. Just will have to find one I guess I may even just machine my own parts for this motor if I have to.
|
|
Lee Bradley
Bronze Level Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Location: Kingston, WA Points: 117 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Or you could go with a v-6
|
|
farmerdev
Bronze Level Joined: 31 Jul 2022 Location: Utah Points: 9 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
That sounds nice. How much HP can I throw at the transmission and clutches before I break stuff?
|
|
Ray54
Orange Level Access Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4547 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
The tractor in the you tube is still running as far as I know, about 50 miles from me. The video has comment 13 year old and he only had 160 acres, so not run everyday. Farming is easier than dozer work because you use more higher gears.
So if you realize what the tractor was made to do and treat it with care, most anything that fits size wise. But remember if you break some parts there are no more at the dealership.
|
|
Lee Bradley
Bronze Level Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Location: Kingston, WA Points: 117 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Probably not as much power as AC put through them later with the turbo'd engines.
|
|
Codger
Orange Level Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2041 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
here is a blurb on the series;
|
|
Codger
Orange Level Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2041 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
My 11B tractor was rated at 140hp but according to my buddy at the fuel shop, fuel delivery is increased by 15% over stock settings. Mine is power shift however.
A complete AC 10000 series engine is about 2050 pounds complete. A Detroit Diesel 3-71 is 1521 pounds complete. A Detroit Diesel 4-71 is 1780 pounds complete. Power ratings are easily set where needed with most any of them. A 3-71, or a 4-71 would be a good choice for a repower I'd think. A 3-71 did a fine job in an HD7 tractor so a 4-71 should be a good match for the larger tractor. All would be just a bit more power than the original engine. If me I'd work with the original ascertaining what is wrong with it before going further. As mentioned, u/c and other major mechanicals need evaluated before going far.
|
|
Mikez
Orange Level Access Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Location: Usa Points: 8394 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Tim welcome to the forum. Is the pictures of the dozer at your property. See other orange in the background
|
|
farmerdev
Bronze Level Joined: 31 Jul 2022 Location: Utah Points: 9 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Thanks for all the information. The pictures of the Dozer are at the property I bought it from. I don't have it picked up yet going out in 2 weeks to get it. If I am unable to get parts for the motor I will probably get a 4-71 Detroit though the 6v-71 is tempting.
|
|
R.KYLE
Bronze Level Joined: 01 Jun 2013 Points: 75 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I PUT A DETROIT 671 IN LINE IN A HD11 LIKE YOURS. IT IS A TIGHT FIT AND REQUIRED SOME MODIFACTIONS. TRACTOR IS OVER POWERED BUT USED WITH CARE WORKS WELL. I USED THE 671 BECAUSE I HAD A HD14 WITH GOOD ENGINE AND POOR UNDERCARRIAGE.
|
|
CAL(KS)
Orange Level Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3786 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
would 11B have the early 1/2 bolts on the intermediate pinion cap? they were a weak point and eventually upgraded to 5/8, so power level considered here. keep in mind the v series will be more expensive than a 4-71 . they only ran about 1700 rpm, and a 4-71 will fit easier and definately be cheaper. I mean you can do whatever you want, i just feel the less complicated the swap is, the more likely it is to be a finished success, and thats what we want is another machine to keep on living.
Edited by CAL(KS) - 08 Aug 2022 at 7:19am |
|
Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
|
AC Mel
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: N.Ca. Points: 1101 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I concur with Cal....keep in mind the year before this tractor was made it was the model HD9...which had the 471. There are very few changes in the running gear of this HD11 from the HD9. In the early years it was common for the farmers out here in the Sacramento valley to convert back to the 471 when they had engine problems. The 471 would be the easiest swap....if you found one with a turbo..that would make it sweeter. Be careful about trying to turn the engine over. Out of all the things that could be stuck...the PSB fuel pump could be one of the things that's holding it back. You don't want to break that....it is made of unabtainium...yes...been there done that.
|
|
R.KYLE
Bronze Level Joined: 01 Jun 2013 Points: 75 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
YES THE 471 IS BEST CHOICE I ONLY USED THE 671 BECAUSE I HAD IT AND NEW IT WAS A GOOD ENGINE. ALSO MORE WORK GETTING THE 671 IN THERE.
|
|
danny1954
Bronze Level Joined: 15 Aug 2022 Location: texas Points: 32 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
HELP PLEASE!! i have a allis chalmers hd9b dozer that broke the u joint for the hydraulic pump at the crank shaft pulley. Cant find any information on hd9b with front mounted hydraulic pump. Need help finding manual and parts. Part # on tag HD-9B-3443
|
|
CAL(KS)
Orange Level Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3786 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
take measurements on the yokes. measure bore for joint caps and width across to match it up.
not likely in parts book as a usable number now |
|
Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
|
farmerdev
Bronze Level Joined: 31 Jul 2022 Location: Utah Points: 9 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Update on this dozer project. I was unable to load it do to the final drives being stuck. Anyone have any ideas on what to do to free them up? If not I will need to get a wrecker out to pick it up. I was able remove the blade and load it on my trailer. Here is a picture of a buddy of mine next to the blade for scale he is 5'10"
And don't worry there are 4 chains attached to the back of that holding it in place.
|
|
Codger
Orange Level Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2041 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
are you sure it is the final drives stuck and not either the tracks locked up, or the engine stuck with the transmission in a gear?
|
|
gemdozer
Orange Level Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Points: 989 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
You could remove the startor and try to turning the motor by the flywell ring gear with a big screw driver and make sure the transmission and hydrolic lever are in neutral fonction and you could desajusted the brake band these could be freeze on drum,
|
|
DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 31119 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
In the photo the Right Brake was ALL the way depressed as if the Parking Brake was applied, did you release that? And lock back BOTH Steering clutches???
|
|
Post Reply | Page 12> |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |