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Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 10:59pm |
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i've been looking for a decent dually pickup for the past few months...o-k...about a year now. anyways seems like most all that have them are keeping them longer. really hard to find a GM or Ram with cloth interior, don't matter if gas or diesel, auto or stick...would prefer a stick tho. anyways...the old lady....oooops....i mean the loving wife and i went for a fall drive today and drove thru a small town that had a used car dealer there. has a 2011 Ram dually 4 dr, 4x4, and that sucker has 22.5 tires on it! whew! not a bad looking truck, then i found it had leather interior and told her i'll pass on it. guess i never seen one with semi tires on one! any of ya'll ever seen that?
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 5:20am |
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It's probably cheaper to re-tread than buying them 'designer rubbers' you see on 'showboats'. Gotta be better rubber too !!
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 5:52am |
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Probably a 5500
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 6:33am |
Going to be a serious issue finding a Stick in less than a ton and half these days, the big del is keeping the engine on torque curve for economy that and those not wanting to have to tear into a clutch as they pull all too heavy loads with them.
Spoke to local dealer over a year ago as to finding ME a newer(not new) truck used not too hard and stick, he noted that nearly all the reasonable manual trans trucks went to the US SW or into the MT or ID areas most not around here as would only find one of two or three hundred used with a stick. Autos are as if not more dependable and less problematic as to finding someone to repair when do go down. Then there are the problem children that buy stick trucks just cause they can and drive them like a NASCAR track racer, hard on everything where when they get done with them become back yard queens being worked on non stop or wrecking yard piece makers.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 6:58am |
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GM stopped offering a standard transmission in pickups in 2005. Even then the Duramax in a standard was lower horsepower. Get an Allison transmission and you will not be sorry. Have a 10 sp Allison in my new pickup and it is sweet!
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 7:04am |
SD, You need one of these! Probably no stick though? Regards, Chris
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 9:07am |
It takes that much Ford to pull that trailer 
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 9:12am |
New truck shortage is leading to higher prices for used for sure. 2018 was last year for Ram to offer manual.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 9:16am |
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Shame, i bought a truck with leather seats... I bought a seat cover made of some canvas type stuff with velcro straps around the back and bottom.. Goes on in about 3 minutes... I take it off every 4 months and throw in the washing machine.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 9:56am |
If you're like me and live on a dirt road. Then go to the car wash. You can't take a dually thru a drive thru car wash, don't fit. Just something to think about. Friend bought a one ton single wheel mainly because of that, and it has the same power as a dually. He pulls a 35' fifth wheel around behind him, MI the FL and back.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 10:10am |
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OHOH..........Sugarmaker, you're in trouble now....
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 10:42am |
 thendrix wrote:
It takes that much Ford to pull that trailer |
You betya, the problem is circled right there on the grill.
For the longest time I was a staunch believer that automatics were not for pulling trailers. A few years ago I did the driving out to a pull at Bowling Green Oh. because the fellow with the tractors had injured his sight for a bit and wasn't comfortable doing any night or highway driving. We had an early 2000 something Dodge with the HO 6.7 and factory automatic and I was impressed with the overall performance. The trailer was a 32'dual/tandem with an hydraulic rear tail. The two tractors weighed about 13.000 total. In today's world I would have an automatic, if it was one that was up to the task, not one from 10-20 years ago unless it was a big truck Allison with proper rear end gearing.
For what these new pickups cost these days and all the electronic crap that will give up in a few years an older road tractor is a better buy and much safer for pulling trailers. Tires will last much longer. Brakes last much longer. Manual transmissions don't give up because of high torque engine in front of them, I could go on and on, bottom line,,, What's not to like? I'll never go back to using a P/U for a primary trailer puller. Today's light/medium duty trucks have the power, however when you compare braking they are severely lacking.
Here's my dually 
Edited by PaulB - 12 Oct 2020 at 1:58pm
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 2:14pm |
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Yes Shamer just buy a leather seat vehicle and put a seat cover on it of the material you like and problem solved.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 5:05pm |
PaulB wrote:
thendrix wrote:
It takes that much Ford to pull that trailer |
You betya, the problem is circled right there on the grill.
For the longest time I was a staunch believer that automatics were not for pulling trailers. A few years ago I did the driving out to a pull at Bowling Green Oh. because the fellow with the tractors had injured his sight for a bit and wasn't comfortable doing any night or highway driving. We had an early 2000 something Dodge with the HO 6.7 and factory automatic and I was impressed with the overall performance. The trailer was a 32'dual/tandem with an hydraulic rear tail. The two tractors weighed about 13.000 total. In today's world I would have an automatic, if it was one that was up to the task, not one from 10-20 years ago unless it was a big truck Allison with proper rear end gearing.
For what these new pickups cost these days and all the electronic crap that will give up in a few years an older road tractor is a better buy and much safer for pulling trailers. Tires will last much longer. Brakes last much longer. Manual transmissions don't give up because of high torque engine in front of them, I could go on and on, bottom line,,, What's not to like? I'll never go back to using a P/U for a primary trailer puller. Today's light/medium duty trucks have the power, however when you compare braking they are severely lacking.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 10:16pm |
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i agree Tyler...that red thing is overloaded now with that dinky trailer behind it! the Ram pickup 3500 1-ton. i'm sure them tires would prolly last a long time, wonder if they would give out a death wobble? i have a 3500 GMC 4-dr 4x4, diesel 5 spd stick, but it's a lifted truck (only used for transportation past 10 years because (27 MPG) and a great ride. i don't wanna take the lift kit out, and it's to tall to pull the fifth wheel. i love that truck! i also still have the Chevy 2500 4x4 flatbed that we use to pull the fifth wheel, 454 with an auto. it's the one the squirrels chewed up the wires in the engine compartment. it pulls just fine but when pulling i can feel (maybe just in my head) a slight wiggle, makes me put a death grip on the steering wheel. have talked to others and they had the same feeling, and went and bought a dually, and that took the "wiggles" away for them! i think that Ram 3500 we looked at is to tall for my fifth wheel too. but i did find another dually Ram at the same location, it has cloth seats and is an auto diesel 4 dr 4x4 but down lower, think i'll go for a test drive sometime this week. i don't care if gas or diesel, but do still need the 4x4, have had to use 4x4 several times to get out of a campground or camp space. just not gonna spend alot of money for one for the amount of use it'll get. but when i wanna go, i want it here!
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 10:17pm |
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i also looked at a few toterhomes...whew...a little out of my price range on them!
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 12:03am |
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Shameless' stick with GM..
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 5:04am |
shameless dude wrote:
i agree Tyler...that red thing is overloaded now with that dinky trailer behind it! the Ram pickup 3500 1-ton. i'm sure them tires would prolly last a long time, wonder if they would give out a death wobble? i have a 3500 GMC 4-dr 4x4, diesel 5 spd stick, but it's a lifted truck (only used for transportation past 10 years because (27 MPG) and a great ride. i don't wanna take the lift kit out, and it's to tall to pull the fifth wheel. i love that truck! i also still have the Chevy 2500 4x4 flatbed that we use to pull the fifth wheel, 454 with an auto. it's the one the squirrels chewed up the wires in the engine compartment. it pulls just fine but when pulling i can feel (maybe just in my head) a slight wiggle, makes me put a death grip on the steering wheel. have talked to others and they had the same feeling, and went and bought a dually, and that took the "wiggles" away for them! i think that Ram 3500 we looked at is to tall for my fifth wheel too. but i did find another dually Ram at the same location, it has cloth seats and is an auto diesel 4 dr 4x4 but down lower, think i'll go for a test drive sometime this week. i don't care if gas or diesel, but do still need the 4x4, have had to use 4x4 several times to get out of a campground or camp space. just not gonna spend alot of money for one for the amount of use it'll get. but when i wanna go, i want it here! |
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 6:20am |
Yea you guys are all right. I will just stay with my Fords!  Regards, Chris
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 7:29am |
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Dodge is now Mercedes powered, GM Duramax still has its issues, Fords Power strokes are just stroke generators anymore. Lifespans are down on ALL of them as to significant failures, the gas engines are not much better where if get one that will tow a load are Gas Guzzlers. Old Formula of HP/Weight/BTU Fuel Consumption required has NOT changed. Enviro nuts got the Sulphur removed from diesel, a MAJOR contributor to BTU value and the fuel now takes significant MORE to drive the same loads same miles, seriously do not understand the morons coming up with these 'Brilliant, Genie-ass' theories as to producing a Clean IC Engine, that is NONSENSE.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 8:30am |
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Just curious, why not leather? My pickup is cloth but wife's SUV is leather, I really like it. As for what you are getting I have no opinion.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 8:59am |
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DMiller Ram pickups are still Cummins Diesel. Shameless I had leather in my 2002 GMC and loved it. Of course it eventually wore cracks in it from getting in and out but so does cloth! I put a seat cover over it and carried on!
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:05am |
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Ecodiesel is made by VM Motori…….IDK if you can still get a Cummins? Maybe so?
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:06am |
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Cummins Inc. on February 3,2020 announced a multi-year extension of its current agreement with Chrysler Group LLC. Cummins will supply 6.7-liter Turbo Diesel engines for Ram Heavy Duty pickups and Chassis Cab trucks while continuing to grow its partnership with Chrysler, which began 21 years ago.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:19am |
Mark, what qualifies as "Heavy Duty"? I'm just curious, certainly not in the market!  But a 2500 is still listed as ecodiesel, the Motori, so are they talking 1 Ton plus?
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:24am |
I think it all depends on what kind of trailer / load you are hauling and how often... I have a 1/2 ton FORD 4 x 4..... 380 HP gas .... 1800 pound bed load... 10,000 pound trailer load.. I dont do that EVERY DAY, but have done it 3-4 times a year for 100 miles.. Pulling a 3000# car hauler with a 4000# tractor is pretty easy... again a couple times per year.. I do use the truck DAILY to go to the farm, haul blocks, wood, etc... Need the 4 x 4 for off road around the farm / hills.........Could not use a Semi Tractor for what i need to do... Now if i was pulling 10,000 # 15-20 times a year and going 100 miles or more, that might be a different story.
All depends on what your doing... Taking a Semi Tractor and trailer to Menards to get $500. of plywood and 2 x 4 dont make a lot of sense.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:24am |
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Never mind, I see when you go to actually "build one", the Cummins is the diesel for a 2500. I read some info otherwise earlier. A bit confusing. My bad.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:45am |
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Tbone, Ram has a different rating between 2500 and 3500 dually trucks with the dually having the High Output Cumminns of over 400hp and 1,000 ft. lb. of torque at 1,800 rpm. I can remember 220 Cummins Diesels in Semi's in the 1960's not having 1,000 lb. ft. of torque!
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 10:03am |
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For my 2 cents, in addition to my semi tractors none of them being newer than a 2002 because of all the anti pollution devices the government mandated. Better milage, more power way more reliability. Same thing with pickups. I had a 7.3, a 6.0,the one I have now is a 2004 crew cab 4x4 dually. I bought the dually for a bigger cab and light years ahead for stability pulling our camper or my gooseneck loaded up pretty stout. Yes a SRW will do the job but not even close to the stability of a DRW,, not even close. As far as a 6.0, i put 267,000 on bvb the first one and never had a single problem, this one i have 177,00 knock on wood no problems. It all depends on how you take care of them and keep in mind a diesel is NOT a race car they never were intended to be. The one I have now has an automatic in it and I have to say after 47 years of double clutching I'm getting to where I'm kinda liking the automatic. Just my 2 cents worth
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 10:29am |
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thanks ya'll for the inputs...o-k...only reason i'm looking for a dually is for pulling my fifth wheel camper and maybe down the road i'll get a goose neck for hauling anything. i have a great 2500 series GM that pulls the fifth wheel with ease, however i get a funny feeling while pulling of a slight wiggle and i decided i want a little more piece of mind with a dually for stability. might be all in my head, but it should make me feel better. as for leather seats, i've owned vehicles with leather seats, i don't have a garage and the seats are HOT in summer and are COLD in winter, the cold doesn't bother me as much as the HOT does in summer. my butt sweats enough now in summer, i don't need any more help with that! i'm going to go look at a 2003 Dodge 3500 dually tomarrow, has a turbo diesel and 4x4, looks good, we'll see if it follows me home or not. this one is in my price range and i'm taking my mechanic with me. i have a 3500 GM but it has a single rear wheels and it has a lift kit that i really don't wanna remove, but my fifth wheel won't even hook up as the truck is to tall. (i love that truck!) the old lady....ooooops....i mean my loving wife will just hafta wait longer getting her a wrangler. she says she'd rather go camping anyway! hopefully the flat bed off my 2500 will fit on this 3500 if i buy it.
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