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    Posted: 01 Feb 2016 at 6:54am
Has anyone ever seen or perhaps installed a hydraulic snow plow (possibly made by you or retrofitted from other application) on a "B" or other small tractor? There is a hydraulic front end loader on the tractor presently.
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I've got a Cockshutt30 here that someone removed the trip bucket and mounted a snow plow blade.HaAs a Charr-Lynn pumpsetup to raise/lower the loader. Supposed to work well but i bought it for the Buda 153 gas engine to rpelace the tired dieel in my A-C forklift.
Good thing about the setup is the abilty to push snow 'up and back' further than say a pickup and plow.

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jaybmiller, Do you think I could possibly just attach a say, 7' plow to my existing loader bucket that is about 42" wide with some type of brackets?
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its possable to attack anything with a welder. but not the best idea. we attached a truck plow to the front of dads WD loader for one storm. adding a blade out front of the loader gave it so much leverage you could only push with the blade straight and you had no steering control. lifting it took to much wieght off the tires for it to push much snow anyway. after the storm we cut the blade up and made mounts to connect it directly to the loader frame inplace of the bucket. did away with the angleing portion so the blade was up close to the loader frame and it worked great that way. I made a blade for my C that worked great . just run push arms out from the lower plow mounts to directly iI used a piece of boiler plate for the blade and grader blade for the cutting edege. welded angled cross pieces between the front and rear tires and used a cable lift to raise and lower.  if you put a 12' extension arm on the rockshaft and run a cable down to the drawbar foward to the cultivator front mount bar and down to the push arms the hydraulics will lift the blade very nicely. use pretty heavy pulleys. you realy need wheel weights and tire chains if you get alot of snow. I lived in upper michigan at that time and we averaged 180" of snow i moved it all with my C.
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I made a snow blade out of an old water heater tank and welded a piece of 2x2x 1/4 in angle iron across the bottom. Brackets welded to the angle iron match up to the pin holes in my loader and I added a "top link" too set the tilt.

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You would never dream how good this works for deep snow, not having to drive thru it to drag it with the back blade. I can pile it as high as the loader will go too, by just lifting the loader as I push. The "live" hydraulics is real handy so if I were to do it with a B, I might think of an electric over hydraulic or a 12 volt winch to lift it.
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Something like this ?

You can actually see how well it works.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA7kJLVbe58

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http://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/trforum/viewtopic.php?t=445705&sid=50b50b3a4aa36725e9b53dccd739ed2c
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Great idea Charles! Guess I'll go out to the shop and fire up the wood burner. We're supposed to get 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 feet of snow by Tuesday here. I think I have everything needed for your solution. If the grandkids can't get up the hill today, could get this done by tomorrow afternoon. If they do make it, Bonus! It can wait. This is Colorado so, will possibly be melted by middle of next week anyways 
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here's one picture of the CS30 plow, 6' wide plow is homemade(not by me !)
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That is basic Jay. Simple, simple solution for now. The loader is hydraulic and lifts as you plow? Thanks for the pics guys. 
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Yes. loader would have had a 'manure bucket' on it.There's a PTO driven pump/reservoir on the back.NOT fancy but worked very well according to previous owner and rears have weights.
it is simple,easy and to fab. using channel iron bewteen curve of blade and mounting ears is neat. 'trick' is to get the correct 'blade angle' to push snow. You can see the extra welded pieces on the cross bar of the loader. have more pictures, just email me sparky.miller@cogeco.ca .

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How about mounting a receiver to the front of your tractor and use a plow like this: https://youtu.be/NH7_cO8v0xk?  My cousin bought a JD that came with one but they used a clamp-on receiver on the loader bucket.  He says it works great



Edited by DanC911 - 01 Feb 2016 at 8:39pm
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Probably be a good way to tear up the front end OR break the torque tube. All the good blades I have seen had some sort of push mechanism connected to the final drives.
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yes, the load needs to be transferred to the rear axle area by means of a loader frame, or c-channels run under the tractor to the rear end.
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Good point.  I had not thought about all of the force on that one bolt up front.
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Interesting plow design ( for maybe my Scout ). A little pricey for a po boy like me. Agreed 100% on the possible torque tube, front end and what have you breakage. Way too much bling for my $100 tractor.  Still a fan of Jay's loader - plow concept.
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Here a possibility. Mabey too weak?
'40 AC B - My Pappy always told me "Use your head for something other than a tack hammer!" I did. It makes a great 16 pound sledge hammer.
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I have been tossing the idea around for a while of buying a plow for a truck, but without the full mount (sorta like this) and making a mount for it like this 


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The back of the frame (the end w/o the plow on it) would bolt to the drawbar, and it would be attached to the TT by an upright bar. 
(Scale: 1/4in. = 6in, one small square =1/4in)
I was going to get a pump of some sort, and attach it to the main belt on the front of the engine. This guy on YouTube has a pretty cool set-up for his pump, I might do something like that.........I still have a while to think on it, though. Wink



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I put a plow on my '41 B many years ago. The plow frame was almost identical to what Ben drew in the post above. Anything has to be fastened to the rear or you might bust the torque tube. I mounted a drawbar using the front holes in the final drives so that the drawbar curved forward. A 7' plow on a B would be overkill. Something like 5 1/2 or 6 foot would be better. My plow operated with a hydraulic pump and reservoir that was mounted behind the seat and powered off the PTO shaft. There was a hydraulic valve in the reservoir that operated the pump. But a B can be a good plowing machine. Bob@allisdowneast
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TOO much engineering going on when he already has a front end loader on the tractor Big smile
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Here's a little bit of the white stuff! Timing could not be better. As ya'll have been so helpful with the posts, ideas and all, my quest to saddle the B with a plow has been put in the barn. Because of the couple feet plus of fresh powder, one of my friends up here stopped by on his way to the office ( in a truck w/ a plow on it ). He just wanted to see if I had time to do body and paint on a couple of vintage autos that he's restoring. Well, " he** ya I say! All ya gotta do is shoot me a retainer and we'll get er done." He's sending one, probably two of his guys over tomorrow to install a electric/hydraulic plow on my Scout. Way better than Benjamins right now! The B will B on his original mission again. Minor road work, firewood gettin' and splittin', liftin' and back savin', grandkid ride givin' and the most important, cruisin' to the brooky nursury ( beaver ponds loaded w/ brook trout ) for fly fishin'. 
Hey Sparky, George already had plans to double up the battries and a couple other things. I'll deal with extra lbs myself. 
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Saw in a catalog an electric jack to plug in outlet on a car. Had a 1ton and a 2ton .Two ton 89 dollars. Looked liked it could home shopped to make a lift for something like a snow blade . No hyd . I have a B also. It was in a heartland catalog ,not familiar with them.
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Allis made mounting brackets for the B, C, years ago. They consisted of the same channel as used on the WC and mounted on the front plate at the engine and on the front torque tube bolt holes. Same as a cultivator. In the C the used the cultivator square cross bar to mount the front. Then in front of the grille there was an H frame and the blade mounted at the bottom and the hydraulic cylinder mounted on the top and it was adjustable up and down and used a lift bar similar to that used on a pickup truck blade. I have one for a B and my neighbor has the channels for the C. Bob
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Originally posted by CTuckerNWIL CTuckerNWIL wrote:

TOO much engineering going on when he already has a front end loader on the tractor Big smile
Charlie, does your snow rig/loader have the kind of frame that connects to the rear end?  Got any pics of that?  Thanks!
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No, it's just a plain old Freeman W9 loader bolts to the frame rails with 4 J bolts. I'm lucky I can get at a few pictures I have on Picasa as my laptop and my PC both died around Christmas.

Below the middle of the gas tank on the right frame rail you can see the plate I bolt up to use for mounting a 3 way valve. All the hydraulics goes thru that valve. When the lever is back, it runs the lift arms, ahead , runs the loader and the middle runs the remote. It's the best thing I ever did to the 45 as far as plowin snow cause I can use the rear blade as ballast when pushing , and then do "clean up" work with the blade.

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Thanks for the info Charlie.  I know what I'm gonna do now!!!

That's too bad about your puter and laptop both going at the same time...  I hope you kept the old PC?  You can take the HD out of it and put it into another PC or buy a separate piece that then makes it a portable drive.  You can get your stuff off it that way.

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Yea, I robbed the power supply out of another PC and put in mine to see if I can get it back up. I also have an adapter plug that I can hook to the hard-drive and plug into a USB port to get stuff off of it. I haven't got that far with the laptop yet. Laptop hard-drive won't plug into my adapter so I have to figure someting out for it.
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Wish I knew more about laptops.......  then maybe I could help.
MUST be some others on here who can help you out!?!?  Some of these young guys should have the smarts that we are lacking... LOL
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