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    Posted: 18 Jan 2016 at 8:47pm

What's wrong with this pedal? Seems wrong and the pedal is correct. Need a little help

Edited by AJ - 18 Jan 2016 at 8:48pm
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one of my 14's is like that, but not that tight, Has this always been like that?

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Hey AJ,,,maybe the clutch fork inside the bellhousing has broken,,,??? Pedal looks like on my D14,,,,
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The pedal is NOT for a D14.  As you can see, there is a "tail" below the pedal's shaft that is resting on the foot pan.  That can prevent the pedal from returning to its natural position.

Here are 2 completely original D14s that do not have that tail on the pedal...
58 D14...

59 D14 (over serial #19001 - same as above) ...

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Looks like the later clutch petal to me.
Can it go higher or is hitting the foot rest.


Added a picture of my late model D 14 petal it is the same as AJ.


He has the early model that should not have the stop on it.
Also can tell the rods is not coming back far enough by were the spring is position in the picture.

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     Hey Alan,,,that picture kept botherin me so I went out and had a closer look see at my 1960 D14. The "stop" that Dseries4 is referring to is also present on my pedal, and appears it's function is to limit the REARWARD travel of the pedal to a certain point.   but the front (top) part of the pedal IS different on my D14 from yours,,!! the front part of yours has that 45 degree bend right under the foot rest,,,,went and looked at the one on the D15,,,,and yours is exactly like the one on my D15,,,,,????

    
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AJ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 6:20am
Well I think the pedal I have is incorrect is the problem. Agco's site shows the one like Myron pictures, didn't realize there were two styles. Thought a D14 was a D14 and that was it, had not clue there were differences. Guess I should check the serial number.

Richard and Joe, look at the little point on the bottom of yours and mine. Your all's is angled slightly where mine is straight-ish. Any clue what the difference is there?


Edited by AJ - 19 Jan 2016 at 6:24am
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Its to darn far away! That's what's wrong with it. LOL!! I'd have a real dilemma trying to reach it with my short little legs! I'd be makin' modifications to that dude, or find out why its like that, compared to Myrons D14 pedal location. Woo wee!   LOL!
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Mine moves about 3 inches when pressing on it. Seems it should be double that or more.
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Great it's only 8*F here and now I WANT to go outside and take pictures of the pedals on the 'group of four'...brrrr...
I know I added 2-3" of rod on 'Troy' to get the pedal more upright.At the time(10yr ago) it was thought the nonAGCO clutch disk was to blame.All I know is that it works fine.
Maybe come noon I'll venture out and take the pictures.

With my luck I'll have 3 different pedals !!

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Maybe the Rod has been screwed way too far in to the Pressure Plate Lever.

Pull the cotter pin and try unscrewing the rod.

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Were the spring is located it should be out to the bump on the housing. all my tractor are the same.
yours is pushed down some already not allowing the clutch petal to travel enough.
Look at the D series4 picture and you can see were this should stop.

also I learned you can not take out the PTO engager from late tractor and install into early one.

   
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I believe the problem is that the pedal is wrong. This tractor has some problems but they all seem to be simple ones for the most part. There is a lever next to your ankle on the other side that don't look right either. I will get pictures and more info this evening. Had this tractor a while just now getting time to work on something. 
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I'll tell youse guys something,,,,a little sunlight does change your perception of some things,,don't it,,?? AND,,,I guess my Toolie-Wak is the blackest on this one,,,, got to wonderin why there would be different pedals so went back out this morning with the camera that don't lie,,,,,and it does appear to be a little difference in the little tab at bottom that linits too much rearward travel, but the rest seems to be similar to all the posted pics. What would be differences from the early to later ones,,??
Gary might have part of the answer in the rod being screwed into the fork too much. If I remember right (?), you can back the rod out without completely unscrewing it out of fork.
I had to machine a "spacer" to lengthen the rod for the D14 due to flywheel havin been machined and to get pedal to stand up more for MY short legs,,,,(Ya see, Steve, you ain't the only'ist one like thet)    
    
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Just looking at it AJ, I gotta agree.... It's just not right.
The bottom tip on yours is straight and the others have a little bend to theirs.
I wonder what D series your pedal came off of?


Edited by Ted J - 19 Jan 2016 at 10:45am
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AJ, just trade with one off Randy's D14, he has lots to pick from and might not even miss it. lmao
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I was thinking that I could just cut that little tab off and should be golden I would think.
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oops I really screwed up the resizing....sigh..hadache all day...though it's 3x wamer now than 7 AM !
all my pedals are the same though 1 was cut,rewelded before me.
PTO lever is different for one as well !

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now they might be better...
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It appears I just have the wrong pedal....
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Amazing what comes up on this forum !! Somebody needs to go look at a D10/D12 or D15 to see what tractor AJ's pedal came from.
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Here is the pedal and cast numbers if it helps you guys.


He's the lever that operates the snap coupler. I appears it might not be correct.


Here the hitch and belt pulley that I will be removing and selling off.
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Here is the dimension of the late D 14 petal.



The early D14 petal.



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Originally posted by AJ AJ wrote:

Here is the pedal and cast numbers if it helps you guys.


He's the lever that operates the snap coupler. I appears it might not be correct.


Here the hitch and belt pulley that I will be removing and selling off.


What's wrong with the snap coupler lever?  Looks like both of mine.  If it is not springing back to the torque tube, the chain underneath can be shortened.
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Maybe it's missing the spring on the lever. I don't know these things. This is my first D14 so I'm learning on this one. What does the spring look like?

Richard what are the serial numbers of the tractors those pedals are on?

Edited by AJ - 19 Jan 2016 at 9:19pm
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Mine is a very early D14. #2368

What would be the correct grill and decals for my serial number?

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With some of the differences it's almost like there was an early series and a late series. Like a series 1 and series 2 kinda...
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Serial 2368 is very early of the first year.

1957 started at 1000 and ended at 9400.

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The Clutch Pedal, Rod, and 2 Bushings were revised in late 1959 at Serial 21677.

The same revised Pedal, Rod, and Bushings were used on the D-15.

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Just looking at the pictures again and noticed something.

If you look at Richards close-up picture (with the measuring tape )of his late D-14, the added extended nose is at about a 45' angle to the long arm of the Pedal.

Looking at AJs picture of the Pedal, the extended nose appears to be practically in line with the arm.

If AJ ground that nose completely off , and rounded, it would let the Pedal come up much higher, similar to early D-14's.

Problem solved

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D 14 serial #4262 off the torque tube this is the Early clutch petal.
D 14 serial #28268 is the one with the late clutch Petal.
Measuring the clutch rods there was only a difference 1/4" from the torque tube housing as I can not get into the torque tube area figure one is just screw in farther than the other.

Early D 14 would be a Non Bar grill screen.







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