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Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 9:08pm |
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Been tossing the idea around of upgrading to rollor rockers. In a 241 inch wd45 cr of say 10.0 to 1 running 2000 rpms. Will they inproved the performance enough to justify the cost.
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dgerth
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Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 10:08pm |
Well I think so with my WD. Justification for the expense is your call, but it sure helped my ol girl! dgerth
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Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 11:51pm |
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Wondered the same thing myself. They are pretty pricey for a allis.
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Posted: 07 Dec 2015 at 7:02am |
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Unless the rocker arm ratio is different, I wouldn't spend my $$$$$ on something like that...2,000 RPM?? really.....8,000 RPM maybe.
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Posted: 08 Dec 2015 at 11:54am |
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if i'm right stock is 1.46 and rollers are 1.85.
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Posted: 08 Dec 2015 at 12:45pm |
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just make sure you have enough piston to valve clearance.
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Posted: 08 Dec 2015 at 1:13pm |
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how far do the stock valves open
Edited by Zaddison - 10 Dec 2015 at 10:49pm
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Posted: 10 Dec 2015 at 12:05pm |
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my one cam card says .316 cam lift.
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Posted: 10 Dec 2015 at 9:20pm |
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I talked to Jeff at murphys yesterday and he said 10%-15% gain in horsepower. $430 and a hour of your time to install them isn't bad for even 10% in my eyes.
Edited by Zaddison - 10 Dec 2015 at 9:21pm
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Posted: 12 Dec 2015 at 6:58pm |
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i had some in a 260 ci 10.5:1 wd 45 i think the performance was well worth the money and the quality of murphys stuff is top notch
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Posted: 13 Dec 2015 at 7:46am |
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Is the 260 inch a noticeable increase over the 240 set up. 5ossed the idea around of doing either one.
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Posted: 13 Dec 2015 at 10:10pm |
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I think I'm gonna get a set but I've been looking at some different cam grinds as well. Gotta do some measuring as well. A friend of mine put a set in his engine and didn't account for valve clearance...Lots of damage.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2015 at 1:00pm |
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I cut the pushrod side of my rocker arms down and welded them back together gained .080 of lift at the valves
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Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 10:42pm |
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Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 10:52pm |
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Cut the rockers on the push rod size, shorten the , width of a chap saw blade,I built a jig for conforminity, worked good with a short head, the push rod holes need reworked on tall head.you will notice the difference in power.
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MACK
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Posted: 20 Dec 2015 at 6:32am |
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Would be more gain if he made them with bearings in them. I tried putting bearings in them, but his hole tollerence was so far off that some was too loose for bearings even with Loctit. MACK
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Posted: 20 Dec 2015 at 2:31pm |
alchpuller are you cutting them and welding them back together
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wi50
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Posted: 20 Dec 2015 at 6:00pm |
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I used some IH 361 and 407 diesel rocker arms long ago. They are a 1.65 ratio. I don't rember if I had to hone the rockers slightly to fit the allis shaft, or if I used the IH shaft and made the rocker posts / mounts.
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Posted: 28 Dec 2015 at 4:09pm |
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Be careful when welding the rocker that it does not get too hot, bearing material will melt, keep a spray bottle with water handy,
do not get in a hurry when welding, you will have about 1.65 ratio,
The cut rockers will give about the same results as a cam change.
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Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 6:27pm |
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Has anybody on hear tried Murphy's 1.75 rockers in a 426, without fly cutting the pistons?
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injpumpEd
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Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 12:34pm |
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I know of one guy who did, and said they were very close with a stock cam. Put a ground cam in then definitely need valve reliefs. I keep the heavy duty pushrods for the 426 in stock. They are still 3/8" diameter, so they drop right in. they are made by Smith Bros. to my specs.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 5:26pm |
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Ed I wonder just how close, is safe for stock 2,200 RPMs, maybe .040 ? As this tractor is a field tractor not a puller. as you know ACs smoke a lot in the field, and the injection timing has to be faster to help with the smoke. ACs use a 1.45 rocker arm ratio, while JDs & IHs use 1.6 to 1.7 & the injection is a lot slower with no smoke. that's the reason i am trying the 1.75 rockers.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 6:06pm |
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One should open the lash.001 for every point of rocker ratio increase .
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Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 7:25pm |
 Big Orange wrote:
Ed I wonder just how close, is safe for stock 2,200 RPMs, maybe .040 ? As this tractor is a field tractor not a puller. as you know ACs smoke a lot in the field, and the injection timing has to be faster to help with the smoke. ACs use a 1.45 rocker arm ratio, while JDs & IHs use 1.6 to 1.7 & the injection is a lot slower with no smoke. that's the reason i am trying the 1.75 rockers. |
I put them in with a stock cam and at 3000 plus rpms bent several stock pushrods, intake and ex.
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