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Fields
Orange Level Joined: 25 Apr 2011 Location: Reedsburg, Wi Points: 359 |
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Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 9:08pm |
Been tossing the idea around of upgrading to rollor rockers. In a 241 inch wd45 cr of say 10.0 to 1 running 2000 rpms. Will they inproved the performance enough to justify the cost.
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dgerth
Bronze Level Joined: 27 Nov 2012 Location: NC Wash Points: 172 |
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Well I think so with my WD. Justification for the expense is your call, but it sure helped my ol girl!
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Zaddison
Silver Level Joined: 19 Sep 2013 Location: Moweaqua il. Points: 174 |
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Wondered the same thing myself. They are pretty pricey for a allis.
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DrAllis
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Unless the rocker arm ratio is different, I wouldn't spend my $$$$$ on something like that...2,000 RPM?? really.....8,000 RPM maybe.
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Fields
Orange Level Joined: 25 Apr 2011 Location: Reedsburg, Wi Points: 359 |
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if i'm right stock is 1.46 and rollers are 1.85.
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injpumpEd
Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 4905 |
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just make sure you have enough piston to valve clearance.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Zaddison
Silver Level Joined: 19 Sep 2013 Location: Moweaqua il. Points: 174 |
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how far do the stock valves open
Edited by Zaddison - 10 Dec 2015 at 10:49pm |
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Fields
Orange Level Joined: 25 Apr 2011 Location: Reedsburg, Wi Points: 359 |
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my one cam card says .316 cam lift.
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Zaddison
Silver Level Joined: 19 Sep 2013 Location: Moweaqua il. Points: 174 |
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I talked to Jeff at murphys yesterday and he said 10%-15% gain in horsepower. $430 and a hour of your time to install them isn't bad for even 10% in my eyes.
Edited by Zaddison - 10 Dec 2015 at 9:21pm |
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nborga87
Silver Level Joined: 08 Jun 2010 Location: cordova, md Points: 115 |
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i had some in a 260 ci 10.5:1 wd 45 i think the performance was well worth the money and the quality of murphys stuff is top notch
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Fields
Orange Level Joined: 25 Apr 2011 Location: Reedsburg, Wi Points: 359 |
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Is the 260 inch a noticeable increase over the 240 set up. 5ossed the idea around of doing either one.
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TennMatt1
Bronze Level Joined: 12 Oct 2015 Location: Southern KY Points: 71 |
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I think I'm gonna get a set but I've been looking at some different cam grinds as well. Gotta do some measuring as well. A friend of mine put a set in his engine and didn't account for valve clearance...Lots of damage.
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1954 WD45
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mattb
Orange Level Joined: 11 Jan 2011 Points: 348 |
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I cut the pushrod side of my rocker arms down and welded them back together gained .080 of lift at the valves
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alchpuller
Bronze Level Joined: 17 Dec 2015 Location: Goddard ks Points: 30 |
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alchpuller
Bronze Level Joined: 17 Dec 2015 Location: Goddard ks Points: 30 |
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Cut the rockers on the push rod size, shorten the , width of a chap saw blade,I built a jig for conforminity, worked good with a short head, the push rod holes need reworked on tall head.you will notice the difference in power.
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MACK
Orange Level Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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Would be more gain if he made them with bearings in them. I tried putting bearings in them, but his hole tollerence was so far off that some was too loose for bearings even with Loctit. MACK
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patrickmull
Orange Level Joined: 11 Jan 2011 Location: Casey IL Points: 893 |
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alchpuller are you cutting them and welding them back together
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wi50
Orange Level Joined: 24 Sep 2010 Location: weegieland Points: 1010 |
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I used some IH 361 and 407 diesel rocker arms long ago. They are a 1.65 ratio. I don't rember if I had to hone the rockers slightly to fit the allis shaft, or if I used the IH shaft and made the rocker posts / mounts.
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"see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet"
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alchpuller
Bronze Level Joined: 17 Dec 2015 Location: Goddard ks Points: 30 |
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Be careful when welding the rocker that it does not get too hot, bearing material will melt, keep a spray bottle with water handy,
do not get in a hurry when welding, you will have about 1.65 ratio, The cut rockers will give about the same results as a cam change. |
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Big Orange
Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Points: 313 |
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Has anybody on hear tried Murphy's 1.75 rockers in a 426, without fly cutting the pistons?
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injpumpEd
Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 4905 |
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I know of one guy who did, and said they were very close with a stock cam. Put a ground cam in then definitely need valve reliefs. I keep the heavy duty pushrods for the 426 in stock. They are still 3/8" diameter, so they drop right in. they are made by Smith Bros. to my specs.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Big Orange
Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Points: 313 |
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Ed I wonder just how close, is safe for stock 2,200 RPMs, maybe .040 ? As this tractor is a field tractor not a puller. as you know ACs smoke a lot in the field, and the injection timing has to be faster to help with the smoke. ACs use a 1.45 rocker arm ratio, while JDs & IHs use 1.6 to 1.7 & the injection is a lot slower with no smoke. that's the reason i am trying the 1.75 rockers.
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mgburchard
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Tennessee Points: 1123 |
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One should open the lash.001 for every point of rocker ratio increase .
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NEVER green
Orange Level Access Joined: 28 Feb 2013 Location: MN. Points: 7478 |
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I put them in with a stock cam and at 3000 plus rpms bent several stock pushrods, intake and ex.
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2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50
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