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Dennis IL View Drop Down
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    Posted: 05 May 2010 at 9:02am
A couple weeks ago I used the D17 to plow some ground that has been in heavy sod for the last 10 years. The D17 was getting a little workout for sure but was pulling the plow with no problems for the first two passes and then it started! it would start to sputter and pop then almost die out UNTIL I pushed in the clutch to keep it from stalling. I would let it idle for a minute and then off I would go again with no problems for a pass then it would start doing it again. Now here is the strange/funny part I noticed it would act up in exactly the same spot in the field on both sides EVERY TIME! while pulling the plow then same thing over and over again (let idle and go again) I have it nailed to fuel but ran out of ideas. I checked fuel, it's good, tank is clean, bowl and lines are clean. I even took carb apart and checked/cleaned float needle valve etc. (it was clear and clean already) put it all back together SAME THING!! it did not do this after plowing. I used it with a field cultivator and then with a disc and no problems. It's got to be fuel I'm just not sure what I'm missing. Should I try a richer mixture maybe? sorry for the long post I was trying to be as accurate as I could.
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Did you take the fuel line off and let it run into a container for about the same time period as it takes to act up? How about the carb float setting? Is it set too low? You could back the load jet out a 1/4 turn and see what happens. What plugs do you have in it. I was working on a 706 once and it would pop and misfire under a heavy load after a few minutes. The plugs in it were too hot. Napa book said D21 but should have been D15 or D16. The porcelain  turned brown from the heat.
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It may be that a tight spot in the field was putting more load on it.  Also, have you checked the timing?  Is the advance and/or governor working properly?  did you see any temperature spike when it happened?


Edited by Rawleigh - 05 May 2010 at 9:19am
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Lonn, I didn't think about letting it run in an seperate bowl of fuel. (I wish I would have thought of that. Thats a good Idea buddy) everything in carb looked perfect. I'm going to go out to the shed and look at the plugs right now. I just put them in in March.
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The plugs are Champions Rn14yc I just replaced them with what was in there already. Rawleigh, I have not checked timing lately. maybe I am being to quick to blame fuel here!!!
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I'm having problems with my D17 as well - after I overhauled it last year, I started it up and it ran okay, but no power.  I put new plugs in it (Champions) when I overhauled it, so one of the things I tried was put the old plugs back in.  Still not running perfect, but made a hell of a difference - evidently the new plugs were bad, or at least one or two were.  Haven't looked into it further.  I think the rest of my missing / sputtering problem is the distributor wandering around in the bushing.  Seems to get worse as engine speed increases.  Thinking about taking a whack at rebuilding it myself.
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Creek, When you said overhauled the engine, was it just rings or did you go the whole 9 yards?
  If the head was reworked, did it get new guides too? did you have new rocker arms installed or reground? they will cause missing and other wandering miss fires and the likes. Yup, distributer bushings will cause problems too. Check plug wires.
  Dennis, Put some AC plugs in. If there is an old guy around that has a sparkplug pressure tester, have them plugs checked out.  Uncle bought a box of plugs from his chevrolet dealer and he asked them to check the plugs before he took them home. They laughed at him and then realised he was serious. So the fellows to the box back and tested all eight plugs and found 3 that were no good.  Car ran for the next 50,000 miles on those plugs and were still in it when it was traded.
 Well I have a WD that was overhauled back in the 60's and it forever had an arratic miss in it while idling, but put it to work, it will pull strong...but shut it off and try to start it hot, forget it. Let it get cold and third turn she is running. So I tried manifold gaskets, leak tests, timing mag , dist, carb, valve clearances etc. and have never found the cause...yet. Down to thinking maybe I should check timing of camshaft and maybe pulling head to seeif bad head gasket. - Could it be the zenith (small bowl) carb with the hot/cold manifold? Good luck with finding answers to your problems.
  Dennis, check for something floating in the bottom of your tank...Plowing probably was pulling more fuel than any other job and that object would get sucked in at just the right time and then when you stepped the clutch in it didn't have enough fuel flow to keep in sucked in the hole and then it floats away for awhile.
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In my opinion Champion plugs work better as fishing sinkers or simply to fill up the spark plug hole, than actually being used to run an engine. The bad thing is Champion will sometimes make plugs for A-C Delco and some others. It all depends on what particular plug is needed and who is tooled up to make them as far as A-C and Champion go. That would explain the 3 bad plugs from the GM dealer. Usually the Champion produced A-C plugs have a black shell on them. A-C also will use NGK. NGK will stamp their name into the shell.
The only reason I can think of that keeps Champion in business is Chrysler corp and Briggs & Stratton.
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JC -
I did have new guides / new valves / new springs put in.  However I used the old rocker arms and pushrods.  It does have a little upper end rattle I noticed last nite.  I've set the valves once after we started it up and then a month later after about 10 hours of running.  I did notice the #1 intake rocker was pretty loose.  Prolly should save up for a set of rockers and rods......
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Dennis, N8 is what is called for if the head takes long reach otherwise J8. I'm not sure they make N8 still. I use N9 champion without trouble. Plowed with my D17 and 4x14 and used to go tractor pulling too. I've never had bad luck with Champion but NGK didn't work well for me. I'm going to try Autolite sometime. 14 sounds a little hot if I translate the numbers right.
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I'll add to the Champion slugfest-  I've been insulted by those plugs many times, including instances when the ceramic core gets totally blown out of the threaded ring.  As an experiment, start up a running engine, and spray a little oil around the point where the metal base and ceramic meet-  betch'a a buck'a'plug you'll see bubbles.

The other greatest suspect, is that the tube going from bottom of the tank into the sediment bowl, or the fuel-line is somehow stopped-up.  I've also had carb floats that stuck under certain conditions... but most of all... your fuel may have a fair amount of ethanol in it... there's probably a bubble of water floating around down there, and when you get to that part of the field, that water bubble 'sits' over the fuel pickup, drawing in enough water so that the engine sputter-stalls.  Best solution there, is to drain it all... yank the low end of the fuel line, put a fuel can under it, and let it run 'till it stops, then dump the sediment bowl, drain the carb bowl, unthread the sediment bowl, and let whatever's LEFT in there out.  Blow out all the lines.  If there's rust residue inside the fuel tank, let it dry out good, then hook a shop vac up backwards, and blow a whole lotta air into that tank (exhaust any fuel vapors) for about 5 minutes.  Once done, put a piece of 1" conduit in the vacuum's hose, re-orient the line to vaccum, and then suck any loose crap out'a the bottom of the tank, reassemble, and pour in new fuel.
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Don't forget to check the elbow fitting where the fuel line hooks to the carb.  Had the same problem with a WC, drove me batty, then I checked that and there was a build up in the corner that restricted fuel flow.  Darned hard to find.
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Hey I got her fellas!!! I just walked in after tinkering around with that D17 all day! in all honesty I'm not really sure what did it because I put in new plugs, drained the tank and put in new fuel, made an adjustment on the load adjustment on carb, and blew out lines as well as that elbow (like you said Ted) hooked the plow back up and brought her to the other field down the road and made 9 passes without one problem, she was smooth as the prom queen's legs LOL! and had power up the kazoo and then some! Man it was running good!!!!!!!! THAT WAS DRIVING ME NUTS!!! but I'm happy with my D17 again they were/are great units!...  Thank you all for the excellent tips and help. I appreciate it more than you realize!  Dennis.
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Make sure you have a vented gas cap.
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